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rickair7777 06-13-2022 10:03 AM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3440033)
Agreed. Regional pilots expecting their major airline brethren to look after them are looking for something that has never been. Even the regional alums at the majors look at it as “I paid MY dues to get here, Screw-em, they can pay theirs”. It isn’t just major airline management that benefits from cheap feed.

I'm not interested in screwing them. But neither am I interested in expending negotiating capital to do anything for them either. Unless it somehow helps me. Lost gen, don't have time make even more sacrifices in hopes that it will pay off with a better industry in 20-30 years.

Avroman 06-15-2022 06:32 PM


Originally Posted by JohnnyTexas (Post 3434470)
Dude, 110k is easy at SWA if you need to do it. First couple months in training will hold you back a bit but110k is only about 122 TFP a month. That gets you to 110 and that’s not counting 15% NEC.

Totally doable…like that other guy’s mom :)

only if you are living in base, a little lucky with reroutes and want absolutely no life.

Avroman 06-15-2022 06:50 PM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3435097)
Times are great when guys are needing, and can, make $110k first year.

When it eventually crashes, as it always does, some people will be in for a shocker. Ignorance is bliss when you only know the upside of this career.

Ask around and see how many 2019/2020 SWA hires came anywhere close to 110K (If any did, I guarantee, #1 they lived in base within a month of hitting the line, and #2 had absolutely no home life to make it happen, working 6 days a week all year)

Avroman 06-15-2022 07:01 PM


Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux (Post 3435235)
Never in my life have I spent more than $5000 for any car. Always paid cash. Take care of them and drive them into the ground.

Cars are utilities, nothing more, unless you can afford better.

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"It's really expensive to be poor" is true enough though. People making $30k/yr can't afford a cash car for $5k and get sucked into 7+ year loans for USED cars. Which they can't afford to take care of. It's a vicious cycle.

Amazing how this country is set up that way, but there is no systemic biases built in, just ask Tucker..... I'll pass on the rest of my thoughts as this isn't a podcast.

tm602 06-16-2022 09:55 AM


Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN (Post 3434397)
I’d take a loan against my own 401k. The interest rate is around 5%. They should be able to pay back the difference in less than 3 years.

AND you are paying YOURSELF back, not a bank. Not to mention, the $$ in your loan isn't available to the market (thus kind of "protected" from the sh1tshow of the economy--at least that's what Scwhab says).

DeltaboundRedux 06-17-2022 07:49 AM


Originally Posted by Avroman (Post 3441772)
Amazing how this country is set up that way, but there is no systemic biases built in, just ask Tucker..... I'll pass on the rest of my thoughts as this isn't a podcast.

Meh. Being poor is tough everywhere in the world, in every country, in every civilization.

“Systemic biases” is just ivory tower language for garden variety envy. One of the seven deadly sins for a reason.

You want something, go out and f-ing earn it.

Crockrocket95 06-17-2022 03:53 PM


Originally Posted by Avroman (Post 3441765)
Ask around and see how many 2019/2020 SWA hires came anywhere close to 110K (If any did, I guarantee, #1 they lived in base within a month of hitting the line, and #2 had absolutely no home life to make it happen, working 6 days a week all year)

LATE 2019 hire, BWI based, then displaced to LAX, made over 116K not living in base and when times were weird. I didn't work 20 days a month.

New hires are cleaning up now will probably pull north of 120K first year if they don't mind picking up a few trips, lots of opportunity. When I was a probie there was NO open time, and NOTHING in GA. It was tougher. Shoot, I bet a new hire could do 150K with the open time trips available this year.

Fly4FunAA 06-19-2022 10:41 PM

So who really makes the between SWA, AA, UAL, DAL? Not gonna put FedEx in this one because they are in a whole other league.

at6d 06-20-2022 12:52 AM


Originally Posted by Crockrocket95 (Post 3443051)
LATE 2019 hire, BWI based, then displaced to LAX, made over 116K not living in base and when times were weird. I didn't work 20 days a month.

New hires are cleaning up now will probably pull north of 120K first year if they don't mind picking up a few trips, lots of opportunity. When I was a probie there was NO open time, and NOTHING in GA. It was tougher. Shoot, I bet a new hire could do 150K with the open time trips available this year.

If you figure reserve months pay around 105 average at year 1 pay it’s over $95K. Add per diem and some second year paying trips, maybe some pickups here and there…$120K totally doable.

captjns 06-20-2022 02:16 AM


Originally Posted by at6d (Post 3444145)
If you figure reserve months pay around 105 average at year 1 pay it’s over $95K. Add per diem and some second year paying trips, maybe some pickups here and there…$120K totally doable.

Salary is Salary. Per Diem is expenses incurred whilst on company business. That said to add per Diem to salary is nothing short of fantasy land.


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