What defines heavy jet time?
06-23-2007, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Check 6
Not when you are sitting in one of those tiny seats on a 2+ hour flight!
However, I assume you are on the 300 at Purple of Brown, so we could say that your paycheck is "heavy".
06-23-2007, 05:13 PM
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The 757-200 is not "heavy" at 255,500, but the 757-300 is "heavy" at 260,000. The -200 is 500 pounds over the "heavy" requirement, so why not say "heavy"?
You say "heavy" in your callsign no matter what you weigh. It's what your aircraft is capable of, not what it weighs. ICAO doesn't use "heavy" in call sign. Their controllers are smart enough to figure out aircraft separation by themselves.
You say "heavy" in your callsign no matter what you weigh. It's what your aircraft is capable of, not what it weighs. ICAO doesn't use "heavy" in call sign. Their controllers are smart enough to figure out aircraft separation by themselves.
06-23-2007, 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Ottopilot
The 757-200 is not "heavy" at 255,500, but the 757-300 is "heavy" at 260,000. The -200 is 500 pounds over the "heavy" requirement, so why not say "heavy"?
You say "heavy" in your callsign no matter what you weigh. It's what your aircraft is capable of, not what it weighs. ICAO doesn't use "heavy" in call sign. Their controllers are smart enough to figure out aircraft separation by themselves.
You say "heavy" in your callsign no matter what you weigh. It's what your aircraft is capable of, not what it weighs. ICAO doesn't use "heavy" in call sign. Their controllers are smart enough to figure out aircraft separation by themselves.
Its "more than" not "equal to" 255,000 pounds. I've never seen a 757-200 certified at more than 255k. I know that they make the freighter at more than 255k, but I didn't know they certified a pax version. In any case, if you are "over" 255k, you should be using the "heavy" callsign in the US.
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06-23-2007, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by cessnapilot
Its "more than" not "equal to" 255,000 pounds. I've never seen a 757 certified at more than 255k. I know that they make the freighter at more than 255k, but I didn't know they certified a pax version. In any case, if you are "over" 255k, you should be using the "heavy" callsign in the US.
06-23-2007, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
There are different definitions. For FAA certification purposes, a heavy aircraft is anything over 47,000# (or something like that)...so 50 seat RJ's qualify.
For ATC wake seperation, heavy is about what slice said (I thought it was over 255,000# but slice should know).
For ATC wake seperation, heavy is about what slice said (I thought it was over 255,000# but slice should know).
06-23-2007, 06:15 PM
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Continental's 757-200's are 255,500 for takeoff, but 255,000 at airports at/above 5,000'. The 757-300's are 260,000 and 270,000 (depending on which version you're flying: domestic or international equiped). We don't say "heavy" for the -200.? Maybe we don't want to confuse the FAA/controllers from other airline's models?
06-25-2007, 03:55 AM
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I was under the impression that 757's of all models said "heavy" due to the remarkably violent vortices they created? I have also heard that a 757 will throw off a more violent set of vortices than a 767. Not sure where I read this info - probably here. I am not sure if the pilots say "heavy" or if the controllers simply modify spacing on a 757 to heavy standards. Can someone shed light on this, and explain why the 757 has such a violent wintip vortex?
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