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Originally Posted by Duckdude (Post 3565892)

As someone who earned a degree in aeronautical science and owned a flight school for over 6 years, the two don’t compare. I learned so much more about flying over those four years than I could have ever taught my students at my flight school. For instance, we had an entire semester course on turbine engines. My other instructors and I barely mentioned turbines to our students at my school. I had a full semester on global navigation, again barely covered at my school other than some GPS basics. Two semesters of aerodynamics including frequent uses of wind tunnels, versus a chapter or two in a book at my flight school.

Basically, we covered the FAA required stuff and a little bit extra at my school, versus tons of extra stuff at the university.

And that's the problem with aeronautical universities and flying degrees. There is absolutely no need for an entire semester on turbine engines or navigation. More than a week is completely overkill for it to be useful for a pilot. Plus, a lot of these subjects are covered in either the ATP course and initial airline training.

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Originally Posted by Duckdude (Post 3565892)

You mean the equivalent of EASA ATPL exams ?
lol

I used to work at Pratt and Whitney.

I loved when the 141 school grads would try to lecture me on how turbine engine really work.

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Originally Posted by Boeingdude (Post 3564903)

Age 65 is safe but 67 isn't LOL

56 is mandatory retirement for ATC.

Just saying.

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Originally Posted by CX500T (Post 3565927)

I used to work at Pratt and Whitney.

I loved when the 141 school grads would try to lecture me on how turbine engine really work.

Why was the 141 school grad having a discussion with you about how jet engines work? I've never once had a single discussion in the cockpit about the engines other than telling the captain that they were started or cutoff.

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Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 3565941)

We were having maintenance issues (FADEC computer issues) and they started with the "fuel nozzle geometry is controlled by the turboencabulator and effects stall margin by altering the flame pattern" sort of stuff where I was "I'm pretty sure they are messing with me".. NOPE totally serious.

Just make it tiered so someone doesn’t get an advantage of changing the rules once the game starts

Born before 2000 retire age 65
Born after 2000 retire age 67
Born after 2003 retire age 70

These old gummers wanting to pull up the ladder after they got in the treehouse…..

I could care less what the rules are as when I entered I knew them. Don’t change them up on me once again though.

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Originally Posted by TiredSoul (Post 3565921)

So let’s pretend I’m an airline CEO/CFO or even just a bean counter.
65-67 for the majority will be the most senior crew members with the highest pay and the most vacation days that cherry pick the lines with the lowest block aka the most expensive.
Why would I agree to this again?

The only reason would be short-term band-aid to keep the big metal flying while they spool up the entry-level pipeline and stock up on pilots.

At exactly the right time that might just mitigate the worst pain of the retirement bubble.

But technically the airlines don't have to agree to it, nor the FAA. Only congress and POTUS.

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Originally Posted by JayBee (Post 3565932)

56 is mandatory retirement for ATC.

Just saying.

There is no mandatory retirement age for surgeons, just saying.

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Originally Posted by Boeingdude (Post 3565966)

There is no mandatory retirement age for surgeons, just saying.

There isn't in the US (other countries, there is). But that doesn't mean there shouldn't be.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2628499/

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Trunkey and Botney [19] have developed a series of tests, together named the “MicroCog,” designed to detect “impaired competence occurring late in a physician’s career.” The tests measure “reactivity, attention, numeric recall, verbal memory, visiospatial facility, reasoning, and mental calculation” [19]. According to the overall MicroCog scores, at all ages, physicians (not necessarily surgeons) perform better than nonphysicians, but even physicians by age 75 lose 25% of their starting score. The decline is very rapid by age 60.

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Commercial airline pilots are not permitted to act as pilot-in-command past a certain age. The maximum age limit to act as pilot in command in Europe and the United States is 65 years. On both continents, pilots under the maximum allowable age are subjected to frequent medical examinations and performance retesting to assure retention of a safe level of skills.

Trunkey and Botney calculated that if surgeons failed a hypothetical medical test at the same rate that US commercial pilots fail their semiannual medical tests, then 39 surgeons per year would lose privileges in the United States attributable solely to medical problems [19]. Admittedly, their calculation is a gross oversimplification, and an argument can be made that they are very high or very low in their estimate, but the fact remains that some surgeons become incompetent as a result of loss of capabilities with aging; there presently is no systematic method to accurately identify such individuals, and surely some must be continuing to practice.