That’s the point I was trying to make earlier. All these smart airline pilots don’t realize they’re all of a sudden outraged and typing long diatribes on APC about a petition that doesn’t matter and isn’t news. They just take the rage/fear bait hook line and sinker. They’re addicted to it.

The problem with reducing the seating capacity to accommodate bigger seats is that people would revolt over the necessary increase in ticket prices to maintain revenue. That $500 ticket now cost $600. The solution is much more affordable. People who pay for one seat should expect use of the entire space, those who take up more room should pay for it.

I was a kid in 1985, not flying a lot then but I’d have sworn 727s and 737s at United had 6-across seating when I was a kid. So were the aisles a lot narrower, or am I remembering incorrectly, or is the article wrong? I don’t see any other possibilities here.

Oh surprise, another "news" article to stir up discord. From the original fear and hate, fake news channel nonetheless. But it sells because people buy it. And so much more entertaining and simple then reporting on Economic Policy.

This crap reporting would not have seen the light of day 30 years ago.

Is MSNBC any different? Cable news networks are all biased and pander to their target audiences using the same playbook.

I'm not defending any network, but there's only one that's going to trial for $1.6 billion for lying to their viewers. I'd call that an objective difference.

He didn’t say it was. So to whom are you addressing this issue? Are you stuck in the “they do it too” phase? It’s pretty obvious that all the major news organizations peddle fear for money……….unless you are stuck in the matrix.

Now specifically, it’s hilarious that one in particular is struggling with a 1.6 billion lawsuit that they knowingly lied to keep people watching, and yet here we are, links still going out like they have any validity…that’s very telling no?
It absolutely shrieks propaganda slave.


. Take the blue or red, and see how far down the hole you go, but for the love of god keep your extremism to yourself on the flightdeck……please

Who’s being extreme? All I said was that both sides are biased and play the same games. I actually find watching the news more amusing than anything. The same story gets completely different spins based what channel you’ve tuned in. Especially regarding politics, it’s kind of fun to watch a story on Fox News, MSNBC, and CNN to see how far they spin it.

My apologies, the extremism is attached to the OP. Anyone that posts either fox or cnn and believes it’s real/productive/genuine…….is an extremism imho. They’ve departed the middle ground

Personally I think Burke brings a varied background, and though often lengthy, some knowledgeable posts.

For those posts that irritate me, from whomever, I sometimes respond....usually not, but accept their right to be (in my view) anywhere from a complete idiot to just ignorant.

many decades ago my wife provided me with a bit of insight that helped her, and I have adopted it with some occasional success.

She arrived in this country as a stateless refugee. In my parents time the term would have been DP.
She came from a country where you could be imprisoned for reading Orwell, or Solzhenitsyn, or Michnik etc. Imprisoned for even having such works in your possession, etc.

It drove her nuts, for some time, that in a country where you could read anything from Lenin to Hitler to Marx to Dostoevsky to Miłosz, people read Daniel Steele. Aargh!
She finally made peace of it with this:
"Being free means you are free to be as ignorant as you wish".

So, if we are free, then people are free to be as ignorant, as annoying, and as wrong as can be.
So...to both yourself and JBurke...carry on.

You sound very wise, does that wisdom entitle you the ability to label people as extremists because of a news piece that concerns our industry. Keep your assumptions to yourself as you do not know me and I will never be worthy of your wisdom thank goodness.

https://liveandletsfly.com/passengers-of-size-legroom/

Just wanted to lessen my extremism. My tax dollars are wasted enough and these petitions can succeed with a sympathetic government. The Arabian proverb "If the camel once gets his nose in the tent, his body will soon follow." Is very relevant to these types of social issues.

Had a Roton ask me to use MY tray because her big gut was stopping hers from coming down. No shame. Geez.

I’m not defending any network, but you do understand they are legally and by definition innocent ATM, I’m sure.

Of course, once the trial is complete, perfect truth, equity, and justice will have been determined, because the best way to settle torts or criminal proceedings is to gather 12 random morons, call them “your peers”, and have them rule on extremely complicated legal matters after explaining the nuances to them like they were 5 years old.

(Imagine referencing a legal case as evidence of anything like objective truth in the clown world that is the US legal system).

Bru really?

Have you read the texts? This is apc, not night court.

I do love the mental gymnastics you just did to justify not agreeing with the outcome if it doesn’t go “your” way.

Something like that happened just recently but I can’t quite put my finger on it. You know where a bunch of people didn’t get their way, pitched a giant baby fit, and something happened……..I’ll have to try and remember. In fact I think these might even be inexorably linked. Standby one I’ll get back to you

What to do in a situation like this as a dead header on company metal or otherwise as a no rev on any company?

I know we all have had an experience while non rev or jumpseating and you get placed in that last middle seat on the plane and of course it’s next to some massive ogre spilling into your seat. I recently endured a 5hr red eye with a giant Samoan that had the armrest swallowed by his body. I pretty much had no recourse since I was getting a free ride but it was infuriating. As a paying customer I would have complained but even then it probably would end in the airline offering to reaccommodate me and not the ogre on another flight.

How about lose a few hundred pounds. It’s not the woke thing to say but you’ll fit in the seat and live longer.

Fat shaming is wrong, but it’s just as wrong to glamorize and enable an unhealthy lifestyle.

A friend of my wife’s caused a gate return because they didn’t have an extender for her. She was so embarrassed that she finally got her weight under control, and let’s just say she’s not half the girl she used to be, and has completely improved self esteem.

We really need to start pay by the pound for pax.
Use the obese people use more fuel and contribute to climate change mantra.

I want non negative legroom.

I'm 6'4" give or take an inch on what time of day and who's measuring.

I can't make my femur any shorter barring another major surgery, and let's just say I've had enough surgery to probably buy the orthopedic surgeon a house just from my leg. (I've probably also bought the upper extremity guy a nice car and put the spine surgeon's kid through med school)

My leg length is mostly genetics and childhood nutrition. The right one is 17mm shorter but still. Nonrev I get it. But DH or COBUS in coach sucks.

When I called out unfit after a 2.5 hour DH with a slam recliner, "what seat would you buy if you were paying" was seriously asked.

"I cough up the $19 for exit row bud"

But 32B on a 739 is a painful experience even without slam recliner.

It'll never happen - the industry knows our airplanes will suddenly weigh thousands of pounds more if we move away from average weights. Nobody wants to lose that revenue. :)

Yes, thanks. In my previous few decades as an aerial firefighter, yes. Not really relevant to the issue of insulting the passengers, though.

This is your standard of professionalism as a former medical professional? A dick measuring contest?

If you are out of uniform, it's generally irrelevant. If you are in uniform, I HIGHLY doubt anyone will look poorly at you if you don't want someone to use your tray table. I generally use my tray table to read put my phone on. If someone was struggling to hold their beverage in the limited amount of time they were consuming it and they politely asked to use part of my table, I think I would be fine with sharing some real estate. Obviously, there are limits to my generosity but I am also sure it is incredibly embarrassing to not be able to use your tray table.

I like how you added your dangerous job and then accuse me of measuring. No measuring needed I’ve had enough compliments. Comparing cockpits to ER’s and mobile ICU squads is comparing apples to oranges.

Hey look, they admitted wrongdoing and now you can’t use 12 random morons as a “I didn’t actually lose, it was rigged” type excuse.

I give in less than a week before the narrative moves to "well, they only admitted it because the woke media and court system was rigged anyways and so it would be cheaper to do it this way than to go to court."

Excellent news!

With this admission of wrongdoing, the parties can move directly to damage awards, saving everyone's time. That's how this works, right? "They admitted it, now they gotta pay!"

Oh, wait.

You're conflating "we did a bad" corporate double-speak press release (meaningless) with "strict legal liability requiring a civil tort action that will be determined through the courts and possibly a jury trial with jury selection, rules of evidence, legal briefings, motions, objections, exceptions, appeals, weeks or months of court appearances, and possibly a retrial for a half dozen reasons."

Never wrote juries are "rigged". I implied they're less than ideal...for anything beyond extremely basic trials. Big difference.

Yeah, they’re paying $787 million because they didn’t do anything and the jury of morons wouldn’t have found anything.

My rigged comment was in reference to your pre-trial-loss-excuse ahead of the trial even starting. Sounds familiar, something about rigged elections comes to mind.

Being fat is a choice.

You are the one making snarky comments. As usual.

The seats are unbearable for regular folks, I can't image what it must be like for the heavy set. Especially on Delta, American. Some of the planes have the stupid function where the seat bottom moves forward if you recline, basically giving you no leg room anymore if you want to stretch your legs under the seats in front of you. You already get zero room anyways with seat upright, why would you have that function?? Also most of the seat bottoms are way too lengthy, we need a small seat bottom so you have as much room for your legs to move. It's like they cater to people that are 5 feet and do not care about the taller folks, when it should be the other way around.

Just lost your Delta audience. The ER actually has a very nice cockpit :D

Haha, good one😁

Missed the faux news award update. Justice reigns, I guess.

One could quite easily argue that the aggrieved party didn't trust the jury either. Their original damages request was $1.6 billion.

Presumably it was a straightforward civil damages case. The compensatory damages sought would've needed some paperwork to prove.

So the winner in this case was deprived a huge amount, but they took it because juries are a complete gamble. That's a problem.

Did fox lie or not? Curious for your thoughts on this

They admitted they not only lied but suppressed those in the organization that wanted to tell the truth. There aren’t really thoughts on that. That’s facts

Damages agreed to of $787 million is just under half of $1.6 billion in the suit. Wish I was the mouse in the corner listening to the thinking. I wonder if they though that they should split the difference, which would be $800 million, minus some little something.

That's precisely what happened. FOX knew they were going to lose. Even more painful, they were also about to watch their on-air personalities, and executives admit, on the stand, they lied to their viewers. They offered up half with the incentive of payment now, vs apeal after appeal and then full payment a decade or more from now.

Dominion got half now and the time value of money. Lottery winners make this choice almost every time. It's hard to fault either for cashing that check.

I think this is spot on. The PR damage from having all the top fear porn peddlers having to admit they lied and caused a riot would (hopefully) tank their business. Now they can say it was ambiguous deep state blah blah words to keep their customers tuned in. (All media companies are garbage before the hotheads chime in with 4th grader logic of “they do it too”)

Hey hubcapped aren't you the one on the ukraine thread spouting nonsense that has now been debunked since all the Intel leaks showed the world the big picture?

People in glass houses.

Whew, talk about ad hominem from the cheap seats.

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