Fat pax want bigger seat and unlimited snacks
 

https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/plus-size-airline-passenger-demands-free-seats-bigger-bathrooms-more-online-petition-faa.amp

I’m not going to post a link because the clip has language that would be against APC rules, but google Bill Burr gordos/fat people. It’s not only funny, he’s right.

You guys should also Google Bill Burr's Dirty Grandma. Pretty fun audio.

Oh goodie, another "social influencer" with entitlement issues!

Obviously never going to happen. Who is this person any why did Fox write an article about her? How is this national news? It’s not. These articles are solely meant to make you angry and they should be ignored regardless of whether they come from Fox News or MSNBC.

I wouldn't be 100% sure... the right congress might be interested in something like this, saving another oppressed class from themselves at the expense of everyone else. What's not to love?

But what I want to know is do you have to be legitimately fat to get a free adjacent seat, or do you just have to hit a certain weight, even if you're fit? Ie, is it weight or BMI? I could sure you use some extra elbow room too.

“But but but…I IDENTIFY as fat!”

Well the petition is nearing the 5000 signature goal so the herd has begun the stampede.

the herd hahaha

We just need to have sample chairs with immovable armrest by the podium like we do for luggage. 😁

I can just see Biden’s next gaffe. “If you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or Trump, then you ain’t fat”

Seriously, who wouldn't want bigger seats and unlimited snacks? :D

Frontier, Spirit and Allegiant

Try to remember that those "fat gordo" passengers that you hate so much are the ones paying your hourly wage. The people who want the bigger seats? They're ponying up the dough.

It's really not a good look to ***** about the customer.

If you read the article those folks are saying a whole row for them should not cost extra so we’re not talking **** about those customers. We’re exposing the absurdity and entitlement mentality of certain demographics because they have access to social media platforms. If you feel free seats should be given to a customer of size then you’ll be out of a job quicker than you think. Those customers don’t feel they need to “pony up the dough” because they lack self restraint concerning nutrition.

It’s not about hating fat customers, it’s about them wanting freebies or allowing them to encroach on other passenger’s space. At the end of they day, passengers are renting space on a flight going from A to B. It isn’t any more out of line expecting someone who occupies two spaces to pay for them than it is for a normal sized person to expect to be able to use the space that they paid for without someone spilling over into half of it. Should parents traveling with lap children also be able to demand that the airlines give them free seats so that they can use a car seat?

O brother voice: oh george, not the livestock!

The reason it looks bad is the personal attacks on their size. It’s not the size that’s the issue…it’s the insane entitlement attitude. It would be equally offensive for a skinny passenger to demand a discount for using less space. I don’t see this happening except maybe something like amusement parks have. Each plane maybe has ONE “hefty sized” seat for persons of size….and if nobody needs it, it can be sold for a premium.

You let “ONE” be available then you might as well make the whole aircraft 1st class. That’s exactly how the entitlement crowd works. They love the victim mentality and if you accommodate one demand they up the ante with more until you or your company defeats itself. Obesity in this country is an epidemic and coming from a previous career in the medical field it almost always has nothing to do with physiology. Yes there are systemic issues that come into play with weight management but there are also procedures and treatments to counter those things. Pop Culture has has basically imposed an early death sentence by glorifying obesity with those who are morbidly obese. I also worked in pathology and performed many autopsies, you would be amazed at what excessive adipose tissue does to the organs, skeletal stress and vessel structure. Hearts of the obese look like marbled Ribeye’s and I’ve pulled out livers that were completed covered with veils of fat and weighing between 3000-4000 grams which is double the normal weight. I’m sorry but I’ve seen enough to say that the majority of obese folks made the choice to become that way. To demand accommodations for bad choices and then receive them only exacerbates the problem.

Bit of a sidebar but, for context, in 1985 none of the main 4 offered seating narrower than 19 inches, and we were a heck of a lot thinner as a society back then. So the causation is not on fat people entitlement being the genesis of this problem.

Furthermore on volumetrics, even though seat pitch is the one the airlines like to handwave most about, 67% (according to a 1,300 wide survey, see hyperlinked source) list seat width as the main detractor for airline travel. Survey answer which I share and belong to. It's absolutely unjustifiable that the profit margin post-deregulation (given the absolute swarm that is our current flight volume in present times) is argued as soooo thin, that volumetrics arbitrage which makes the 1980s seem humanitarian by comparison, is the only way these so called titans of industry can fly these copy-paste, Streetcar equivalent, winged phalli and stay in business. Complete canard.

Lastly, to turn around about how I should pay a grand USD for the "privilege" of discretionary travel while being crammed into a volume of space where 3 US gen pop males can only have a total of 5 arms in width. To say nothing of being compelled to display equivalent gratitude as would be expected of a natural disaster visa-seeking Salvadorian, clutching to my rosary and trading 3 hours of physical discomfort and proxemics-abrogation for the sake of the rest of my life? Complete dishonest broker of apologetics-balderdash, that predictable shaming from the usual suspects. Where does the slippery slope end? Don't answer that I'm being rhetorical.
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Sorry for the derail, now back to our stock APC, morality of personal responsibility frottage, regular programming.

Obesity is one of the leading causes of type 2 diabetes and heart disease in this country. We are a nation of undisciplined fat slobs. I had an obese FO not long ago tell me that he couldn’t seem to lose weight even though he was eating less and exercising regularly. When I asked him to list everything that he ate the day prior and describe how much he exercised in a week, we basically figured out that he was eating over 4,500 calories (mostly junk food) a day and exercising consisted of walking about a mile 2-3 times a week. I then told him how I used to be obese and my doctor gave me the come to Jesus talk when my blood pressure, weight, and cholesterol numbers were out of control. The talk worked and I dropped over 50 lbs and my BP and cholesterol numbers are textbook. I cut my daily caloric intake to 2,000, eat healthy foods and not junk, and get around 4 hours of vigorous exercise per week. For all but a few people in society, obesity is preventable, but they don’t have the discipline to regulate what goes in their mouth or to get off of the couch and exercise. It’s hard to have sympathy.

Small, organized groups with narrow goals have excellent track records of winning compared to disorganized masses. Doubly so in the modern western world where victimhood is the ultimate moral ace in the hole.

Punch way above their weight, you might say.

This “campaign for seat justice” might not succeed, but I wouldn’t entirely rule it out either.

Kudos to you as your story shows weight loss and a healthy lifestyle is within reach of those who seek it. Obesity and unhealthy eating has more to do with psychological states of mind than our physiological states of body.

All anyone needs to do is watch the reality shows concerning obesity “My 600lb life” for example is an eye opener. I watched one episode where the bypass surgical candidate met the weight goal and was selected for the famous surgery. In her excitement she had the van stop at McDonald’s for 5 double cheeseburgers with fries on her way to pre admission.

Entitlement is ubiquitous in passenger aviation. EVERYONE feels like they are entitled to something. Just look at all the blogs who try to convince people how to get free perks. Everyone is just trying to leverage their cause to get the most perks. You could make an argument that even military members try to exploit their association for free perks if they can swing it.

I don't agree with her give me free seats thing but she certainly has a point that airlines have continually shrunk seats and legroom over the past 3 decades and sacrificed comfort and accommodation for some. I would support a minimum seat pitch standard.

Im with ya, it takes some sacrifice. I just made a big lifestyle change myself. I switched to light beer except for a few cheat days here and there during the week. So far haven't seen any progress so I might have to cut out the beeef jerky too 🤔

Whiskey is the low carb option., so it must be healthy 😁. In all seriousness, you have to build in cheat days or you’ll just relapse back to eating garbage and sitting on the couch. Life is too short not to enjoy an occasional bowl of ice cream.

Americans really are extremely undisciplined when it comes to weight loss. I’ve seen countless people try some kind of weight loss program, only to quit 1-2 weeks later. Then they’ll complain that they aren’t seeing any results. And the excuses they come up with as to why they stopped or won’t even start it are mind blowing. They get all motivated at first, but what they lack is discipline. Motivation might get you off the couch initially for a day or 2 to get after it, but discipline is what will carry you all the way through long term. It is really hard to have sympathy for the vast majority of obese people. They intentionally make things unnecessarily hard on themselves with minimal to no effort.

But not Bud Light, right? :p

Fat pilots want the same, just saying.

It's not as simple as "Americans are lazy.". The deck is stacked against us for healthy eating from a very young age. You're very fortunate if you are in an educated family that has time and money to make healthy choices for you from a young age. Then, you get to schools and are consistently given options that are unhealthy. Recent efforts to push healthy food options in school were repealed or hard fought.

Then you get to adulthood and know you're overweight and want to make changes. There are myriad of "nutrition" schemes looking to make a buck off of you. Everywhere you turn, you're inundated with scientifically researched ploys to get you to buy and consume... Looking at you golden arches.

Yes, there needs to be some accountability for your own personal actions but you have to overcome decades of bad habits and surround yourself with people who are just as committed as you are... AND be comfortable with doing it for a very long time to get results.

[QUOTE=Wingtip220;3625046 We’re exposing the absurdity and entitlement mentality of certain demographics because they have access to social media platforms.
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Well thank god you exposed them. I guess that makes you heroes.

Way to go, hero.

Look at the rage that a dumb article from the largest propaganda machine ever created, was able to produce in 6.9 seconds.

Eat healthy AND don’t watch fox or cnn. Please

The book "Foxocracy" by Tobin Smith is an interesting read.
It is not deep, but it does describe their playbook and standardized methods.
And you are correct....it all feeds on fear, followed by rage, then the adrenalin kick of owning the evil libs with the 'last word' of any given segment.
They don't exactly remind us of Edward R. Morrow.

Why thank you, I take that as a compliment. In my previous medical career I saved quite a few lives. Have you?

I agree with most of what you said. It really is hard to say ‘no’ to things like McDonald’s or Wendy’s and go for other food choices that don’t look as ‘appealing’ and tasty as that Wendy’s billboard on the side of the highway with a baconator burger and fries. Our society is centered on constant bombardment with really, really bad food choices, and very few good, healthy options. We are constantly taken advantage of with our hurried pace we operate on too. Companies know that if you’re in a hurry, you will eat anything, even if you know it’s crap food. Like in the airports or driving cross country, fast food businesses know that if they set up shop on that one rural exit 100 miles away from that major city, people are going to want to stop and eat and they really won’t care if it’s fast food. They just want to eat. They know we are very likely not going to stop and say “eh, idk, maybe we’ll get fast food later, let’s keep on driving and look for healthier options.” They know we need food in our bellies now, not later on.

Same thing with grocery stores. There’s so much CRAP on the shelves it’s unbelievable. I used to work in retail grocery while working on my CFI. I tell people in my family of how insane and truly horrible it is that we sell the things that we do in grocery stores. Most of the stuff is garbage. Most of the food isn’t really food, it’s like food.

I’ll admit that even as someone who’s pretty physically active, it can be tempting at times to eat a little more ‘crap’ food than I probably should. We all do it. But sometimes people really do have to find the inner grit and determination in them to say no to all the junk and get outside and go run or lift weights. It’s very, very hard to do at first especially if they were never physically active before. It takes about 2-3 weeks to make physical fitness a habit. Once people get past that point, it starts to become ingrained in them that it’s something good for them and they actually WANT to do it. Prior to that 2-3 week mark though, their bodies are just not conditioned to ‘want it.’ They hate it and at some point prior to 3 weeks, the vast majority of them who embarked on their fitness program eventually give in to the self induced pressure to quit and give it up too easily.

Four pages of posts based on a Fox News article about someone with a 5000 signature petition 🙄🙄🙄

Maybe we can do a few pages on stinky or ugly people next?

Just had to say, +1 for somebody finally acknowledging SEAT WIDTH OVER SEAT PITCH. 3x3 on a 737 or A320 is rough for an average-sized male, and it's not the legroom. Also, one armrest for two people is dastardly and unethical. Even with two Midwesterners both refusing it out of politeness, everybody loses. Ditch the pitch and make it 5-abreast.

A few loosely related points here:

-Losing weight takes discipline and dedication.

-$1 will get you more calories of “junk food” than “healthy food”. Soda is cheaper than water. Not everyone has the luxury of choice there.

-There’s a psychological component as well. You’re happier eating a cheeseburger than a salad.

-There are bigger seats, with much more room, and all the snacks you can eat. Usually located closer to the front of the plane.

Take your diatribe elsewhere.

He’ll probably tell you he is the second coming of Jesus Christ because he thinks so fondly of himself.