This discussion is not what I expected to find after reading the title. I guess the topic of fat people was a little too politically hot for APC.

it’s literally the OPPOSITE of ad hominem. He’s not attacking the person, he’s attacking the position. (Ukraine nonsense)

He's attacking the person based on his opinion on a completely unrelated subject. He did not attack his opinion regarding overweight people at all. I didn't read much but it doesn't even appear to be that absurd of an opinion and is backed up with knowledge and experience. Just some people don't like it.

It's literally the same concept of coming on here and saying "Aren't you the same person who says he likes the Chevy Volt?!" It has nothing to do with the subject at hand, it changes the subject entirely (red herring) and attacks the person.

Ehh? Which stuff has been debunked specifically? It’s pretty childish to not only not provide any context for your complaints, but furthermore bleed it into another thread. Get control my friend, this is just the internet. I formally apologize to everyone on his behalf. He is clearly upset.

To Mr narita, please have proper manners and keep threads where they belong. Apc would be chaos if we let the children run rampant no?

Of course! About what?

All "news" programs lie. In all mediums, constantly, unreservedly, and without shame. Truth telling isn't it's purpose.

Your real question should be "did fox meet the legal threshold for damages in a defamation case?" It's a very difficult legal threshold to meet. Alan Dershowitz says no; I've read a few of his books and I respect his opinion.


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Not a huge Chomsky fan, but "Manufacturing Consent - The Political Economy of the Mass Media" is a good read if you're interested in modern day Mass Propaganda.

Propaganda isn't what you think it is, you're not equipped to resist it (I'm not either, the only way to win is not to play). It's an ocean we all swim in without even realizing it's there.

You just get a red vest that says, "Service Person" instead of service dog and they'll be all set.

The dominos are beginning to fall. “What do you mean I can’t have a full row for free due to my size? That’s discriminatory!!”

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/05/11/b...ion/index.html

Science: "obese people cost more". More health care cost, more fuel used to fly them around, even if they fit in 1 seat.
Not a fan of the pro-fat movement. Most discrimination is traditionally towards things people can't change. The whole gender thing has moved that goalpost a bit, but a man wearing a skirt while flying does not cost the airline extra. If my grandparents and my parents all died of cancer not due to lifestyle choices I should still get health insurance. If I smoke, my life insurance premium goes up. That is fair IMO. Being fat is a choice.

unfortunately once again the camels nose has been let in the tent on this identity politic and its going to be exploited to the fullest. I can see the social media shaming coming to the first airline that’s accused and the PR nightmare that follows.

Airlines can figure out how many seats per flight would be affected by fat people spilling over into the next seat, hold those seats, and then spread that cost out among the rest of the passengers through higher ticket prices. If the blocked seats are not being used by a fat person, release them to revenue standby or non-rev pax. If a pilot is assigned a deadhead next to someone taking up half of their seat, just get off, call scheduling, and tell them to try again. I agree that people should pay for the space that they occupy and that others shouldn’t be inconvenienced because someone else spills over into theirs, but that isn’t PC.

Airlines could do that, but why would they give up revenue? If the passenger demand is high enough that they could sell single seats at those higher rates, why would they A) not already be charging that rate and B) hold back pairs of seats for a single passenger that would literally be sold at half price?

Sorry. but no. Generally treehugger, but if you can't fit in a seat, you should pay for two. We make people pay for carrying extra luggage, this is the same. I think we should start charging for seat belt extenders.

Couldn’t agree more. I should have specified if forced due to regulations or social pressure prohibiting discrimination against the undisciplined. If you take up two seats you should pay for both, just as those who take up one seat should expect to use all of it, but we live in a world where something as unhealthy as obesity is not only normalized, it’s celebrated.

Well yeah, but the obese population now makes up so much of the general population that, well, good luck with that. Doesn't matter if it's the left or right side of the aisle, literally, both are obese and both think it's "fat shaming" the moment you bring up living healthy and not being obese. We basically have set up ourselves for this with our city designs, letting businesses convince us that the most important things are to go to college, start a family and have kids, buy a house, etc., there's no time for healthy lifestyle or open natural areas you can get to just to stretch your legs. It's all about consumption, riding texas-wheelchairs (side-by-sides), e-bikes, short-cuts, making life so easy that you just get fat...

In typical fashion, we could learn a lot from dogs. Do the usual "dog years' conversion";

https://www.avma.org/javma-news/2019...-shorter-lives

But then again, just let them go, Darwinism sort it out, etc.....

Fat-shaming is inappropriate, but maybe society should stop coddling and enabling those who are living unhealthy lifestyles. Obesity related illnesses are the leading cause of death among black females and they’re being glamorized and encouraged to live a life that will kill them prematurely.

Unfortunately we live in a world where feelings trump facts.

Here's another.

https://twitter.com/ben_kew/status/1...140823552?s=20

same story from the NY Post. United is the first to be accused. Who’s next

https://nypost.com/2023/05/18/i-cant...iscrimination/

Being that the video is obviously from a Polaris cabin, am I the only one that finds it funny that she can’t fit down the aisle of a “widebody”?

Ticket prices should be by the pound

It strikes me unlimited snacks and fat are a spiral. One creates more of the other.

Every time I see this thread title, I can’t help but think of the irony. It’s probably intentional.

I’m trying to lose weight. Get me a Diet Coke and a couple of candy bars.

“the full can please”

I’ll make a deal. When they get off their ass and go on a real diet, they can get their bigger seats. What happens is the seat gets bigger because they got smaller.

her pronouns are kilograms and pounds

Those are weighty pronouns.

Probably likes Kilos better, smaller number and all.

Well, we better got go to stones. Even a smaller number. The morbidly obese can once again feel normal.

This is a heavy topic.