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Old 05-09-2023 | 03:49 AM
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This is literally the way DAL has been operating for last few years, they "bid" off extra pax in the form of an AMEX gift card good as cash for wherever amex is accepted. This winter alone I saw a family of 6 get "bought" off an oversold ATL-EGE flight with a guarantee for the next day to the tune of over $24K ($4K per ticket). That was for what they said was about $3K in tickets originally.

Lastly, SWA cancelled flights for three days this winter and said it was due to snow in Denver (WX). So "controllable" cancellations are going to be a little harder to pin down.

see to me having aircraft out of position because you had poor planning and poor operation are controllable. Shouldnt call is wx and uncontrollable if 4 days ago a storm caused cancellations and every aircraft and crew are out of position. Only call it uncontrollable if the direct inbound is delayed due to wx your departure city/enroute/arrival has wx causing a ground stop.

also delays triggering compensation should have a time on them such as over 4 hrs or something higher. A 1 hr delay shouldn’t trigger anything. It should be significant delays
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Old 05-09-2023 | 06:24 AM
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Good. Maybe now my airline will stop selling tickets for flights that we clearly don’t have the staffing for.
at some point here (probably already happening) people are going to have to decide between buying food and buying airplane tickets. “Well meaning” policies like this have a real risk of not accomplishing anything actually meaningful for disrupted pax, but being very expensive with detrimental secondary impacts to employee groups.
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Old 05-09-2023 | 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by three1five
at some point here (probably already happening) people are going to have to decide between buying food and buying airplane tickets. “Well meaning” policies like this have a real risk of not accomplishing anything actually meaningful for disrupted pax, but being very expensive with detrimental secondary impacts to employee groups.
Well they're winding down Spirit.
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Old 05-09-2023 | 07:31 AM
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Dear Leader is protecting us from greedy corporations yet again. Rejoice comrades.

Regulation Nation is here.
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Old 05-09-2023 | 09:10 AM
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This is something I can absolutely get behind under certain circumstance listed below. Seeing some of the meltdowns at my airline even though weather related and dumping pax on the street to fend for themselves is atrocious. Some airlines do a decent job of accommodating while others take advantage of the lax rules to avoid costs. Too much have certain airlines had a poor operation as a cost saving measure and at the expense of pax. If airlines want to save money by not investing in and having a good operation it should cost them.

1 controllable delays or cancellations are specifically defined and specifically does not include weather or maintenance related, acts of nature and safety reasons

2 it becomes a crime to falsely label a controllable delay as uncontrollable to avoid compensation.

3 the compensations are just and and nonpunitive
Telling me you never read the fine print on the issued ticket. It's all there in black and white, albeit at pico-font. The ignorance here is on pax who fail to know the terms of conveyance. Perhaps the government should provide some education on that versus placing undo cost burden on airlines. But that would take away a talking point. Most delays (the government keeps stats on that stuff, its easily located at DoT) are due to weather events (acts of God) and/or ATC flow controls. Maintenance issues are usually handled pretty well by most carriers. This is nothing more than government interjecting itself into private business which usually ends up being catastrophic. Really bad idea.
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Old 05-09-2023 | 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Gspeed
Good. Maybe now my airline will stop selling tickets for flights that we clearly don’t have the staffing for.
Delta has entered the chat.
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Old 05-09-2023 | 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo
Telling me you never read the fine print on the issued ticket. It's all there in black and white, albeit at pico-font. The ignorance here is on pax who fail to know the terms of conveyance. Perhaps the government should provide some education on that versus placing undo cost burden on airlines. But that would take away a talking point. Most delays (the government keeps stats on that stuff, its easily located at DoT) are due to weather events (acts of God) and/or ATC flow controls. Maintenance issues are usually handled pretty well by most carriers. This is nothing more than government interjecting itself into private business which usually ends up being catastrophic. Really bad idea.
But, but, but I want to throw a temper tantrum. I want it my way. It is very common these days.
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Old 05-09-2023 | 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
Dear Leader is protecting us from greedy corporations yet again. Rejoice comrades.

Regulation Nation is here.
I too prefer the 2008 style of unregulated catastrophe. The weak and poor get what they deserve, amirite?
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Old 05-09-2023 | 09:49 AM
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It's a great move if the DOT is also put under the gun to improve ATC infrastructure.
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Old 05-09-2023 | 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Gspeed
Desantis thinks it’s a pretty nifty idea down in #floridaman country.

Name 1 policy.

I'll start:

Disney can no longer self-govern its land and properties to the extent that they were. They have to now actually follow State rules as it pertains to building codes and other benefits they had. Those benefits gave them a distinct advantage over the other recreational businesses in FL. (and there are many)


And we like our grade schoolers to learn Math, English and the Sciences vs. having a green haired goblin dedicate class time to pronouns and telling impressionable kids they can choose and change they'll gender at will. Do you know how easy it is to infiltrate the mind of a child. I could have one of my kids in surgery within a month if I so choose. Kids can be persuaded to do and think anything. (Except hopefully mine, mine shoot guns and know boys have a penis and girls have a vagina)

Interesting, Desantis went on local FL television and started reading one of the "banned books". Gender Queer, written by someone who looks like a mix of a boy and a girl. Local news had to cut the live feed for the inappropriate language and pictures in the book that they all thought should be ok for kids.

We also liked not having to wear masks, oh the horror.
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