Potential Age 67 Impact on Hiring
06-16-2023 | 12:09 PM
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I understand your point and perspective. I agree it’s a lame excuse to claim the mandatory retirement age shouldn’t be raised just to accommodate young pilots.
However, there are other fields where there is precedent for mandatory retirement ages, and those mandates are not anywhere near approaching 70 years old. Air traffic controllers, for example, have to retire at 56(!). I am generally for less rules and regulations, but we all know that there is validity to this rule as we all eventually start to slow down cognitively. The age 65 rule is an effective in ensuring that pilots are still at essentially the top of their games for the entirety of their careers.
First class medical exams in their current state are unequivocally not suited for evaluating a person’s cognitive ability. These medical exams were designed to evaluate a pilot’s physical health because we have always had a reasonable age cutoff to ensure the cognitive aspect of a person’s condition is not impaired. By raising the age, we would be taking a risk without having any real measures for mitigation. We as pilots would never identify a potential threat and not take steps to mitigate it, so why would we now?
However, there are other fields where there is precedent for mandatory retirement ages, and those mandates are not anywhere near approaching 70 years old. Air traffic controllers, for example, have to retire at 56(!). I am generally for less rules and regulations, but we all know that there is validity to this rule as we all eventually start to slow down cognitively. The age 65 rule is an effective in ensuring that pilots are still at essentially the top of their games for the entirety of their careers.
First class medical exams in their current state are unequivocally not suited for evaluating a person’s cognitive ability. These medical exams were designed to evaluate a pilot’s physical health because we have always had a reasonable age cutoff to ensure the cognitive aspect of a person’s condition is not impaired. By raising the age, we would be taking a risk without having any real measures for mitigation. We as pilots would never identify a potential threat and not take steps to mitigate it, so why would we now?
Seeing as how the NY area centers are running at 56% staffing I would assume a bill to be drafted possibly after this bill or in the near near future.
06-16-2023 | 12:13 PM
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This is correct. Age discrimination which is codified in federal law is legal by definition since it's the law (age 65 or age 67.99).
But we already have federal law prohibiting willy-nilly age discrimination, so absent a very specific requirement such as the CURRENT age 65 limit (or a few other very specific exceptions in federal law) no company and/or union could set their own age limit in the face of a higher federal limit. I'm 100% certain about that.
In fact I'd be happy if they raised the age to 68 the week before I retire and then my company fired me... the lawsuit win would be assured and I'd just get paid for not working anyway.
As I've said before, airlines might be able to refuse employment if they have no 100% domestic fleet but I actually seriously doubt that too, since keeping seniors off CA and MX trips on narrowbody fleets is a very reasonable accommodation (in the eyes of the law).
But we already have federal law prohibiting willy-nilly age discrimination, so absent a very specific requirement such as the CURRENT age 65 limit (or a few other very specific exceptions in federal law) no company and/or union could set their own age limit in the face of a higher federal limit. I'm 100% certain about that.
In fact I'd be happy if they raised the age to 68 the week before I retire and then my company fired me... the lawsuit win would be assured and I'd just get paid for not working anyway.
As I've said before, airlines might be able to refuse employment if they have no 100% domestic fleet but I actually seriously doubt that too, since keeping seniors off CA and MX trips on narrowbody fleets is a very reasonable accommodation (in the eyes of the law).
06-16-2023 | 12:43 PM
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Never seen a Brinks truck following a hearse.
One of my favorite captains had a great saying. “Know the only thing better than gettin’ paid for flying’? Gettin’ paid for NOT flying!”
2 years to retire? 2 years of SL bank? Don’t need a finance degree from Wharton to figure than one out.
One of my favorite captains had a great saying. “Know the only thing better than gettin’ paid for flying’? Gettin’ paid for NOT flying!”
2 years to retire? 2 years of SL bank? Don’t need a finance degree from Wharton to figure than one out.
06-16-2023 | 03:11 PM
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Is that true? Or maybe people live longer by working longer, using their cognitive skills, keeping them from being sedentary? I don’t know.
06-16-2023 | 03:32 PM
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https://crr.bc.edu/briefs-older-work...r%20late%2060s.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/29/u...%20the%20study.)
One says working longer will have you live longer, the other says retiring earlier will have you live longer.
06-17-2023 | 02:53 PM
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The numbers are massaged by both sides to 'prove' their thesis. Here are two opposing results:
https://crr.bc.edu/briefs-older-work...r%20late%2060s.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/29/u...%20the%20study.)
One says working longer will have you live longer, the other says retiring earlier will have you live longer.
https://crr.bc.edu/briefs-older-work...r%20late%2060s.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/29/u...%20the%20study.)
One says working longer will have you live longer, the other says retiring earlier will have you live longer.
Working part time from 65-67 probably ok for you. Killing it for those extra years is probably counterproductive.
No one makes it out of this life alive. Knowing how and when is the key.
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