Like I said, all the stuf "Pilots Dissin Pilots" used is based on what someone "thinks" its worth, not what really happened with costs. Hey, if you cant read public documents and do the math, then maybe you shouldnt be in the business of putting out financal opinions.

As far as the play by play demolishing of Westbrook, go look at C&R. You going to give those guys "equal time" ?

Hey, you shuld know. Your the guys saying Eagle's a money loser, right? Cant be worth much to AMR if thats true.

Thanks for interpretation
 

Alan Pollenz:
Thanks for the Arpey/Hunter/Sovich explanation. I was having a fit with that. Tell you what, this is an interesting thread and I am so hAAppy that I'm watching it from the outside now. Good luck to all of you still at AA. I'm just hoping that the freaking "A plan" survives long enough for me to get a check from it.
Best Regards,
F&H

There is nothing in the documents that breaks out costs by employee group. What is in the 2002 documents, on file with the SEC, is that the company asked the pilots for $660 million in concessions. The 2003 documents, also on file with the SEC, state that the company received $660 million in concessions from the pilots. Do you think the company falsified SEC documents?

Based on the items that were valued, PDP agreed. Of course, there were some items not valued, and that's where PDP stated the cost went from $660 to $936+ million.

Again, that's in documents filed with the SEC.

Further, if an employee group gives $936 million in concessions, and the company goes and gives another employee group raises, it will skew the result.

Bob Herbst, who seems to have the most to say about anything PDP puts out regarding numbers, has been offered an opportunity to submit material for PDP publication several times. He has refused the offer each time. No one else has approached PDP regarding "equal time."

Of course, since you think PDP should give the other C&R guys "equal time," do you think APA should give PDP "equal time?"

Before the large Fuel Spike!

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American Eagle Lost Nearly $900,000 Per Day in First Quarter 2005

American Eagle President Peter Bowler, while discussing improvements to the revenue side of the balance sheet, recently stated:

"Any progress will be helpful in closing the gap of nearly $500 per departure between cost and revenue that existed during the first quarter of 2005."

American Eagle has 1800 daily departures.

Source: American Eagle Connections, Volume 16, Number 5, May 2005

Talk about not being able to read financial documents!

Eagle does not lose revenue. However, Eagle's revenues are less than their expenses.

For the nine months ended September 30, 2005, Eagle had revenue of $1,582,000,000 and expenses of $1,860,000,000. You do the math.

Not only did Eagle lose money, their YOY loss as compared to the first nine months of 2004 increased 114%, from $130 million in 2004 to $278 million in 2005.

Source: http://www.aa.com/content/amrcorp/pr...ncialsp2.jhtml

if it's any consolation to you AA guys, and it probably won't be, we here at CO have been sold out just as badly by our MEC as yours. and this trend is accelerating. look at the sell-out at NW and DL.

i know our MEC officers have been paid off, i just don't know how much or what form it's in.

we were told that the company's deadline, feb 28th, was "just another date on the calendar" and that the stuff the company wanted gave us great leverage to get what we needed in exchange for the "loan" we were going to give them. well, our negotiating committee worked long nights forking it all over to management. in the end, we had a deal on feb 28th that had ZERO upside. we lost a MAJOR portion of our retirement (not to worry, the rest of it will be stolen later), we lost pay, work rules, etc with ZERO snapbacks which means we'll be starting from scratch again in 5 years.

in the mean time, our CEO makes over six million a year and will probably leave with over $200 million in "career" earnings here, if you call less than 10 years a "career".

ALPA has failed MISERABLY in what should be its primary goal: defending the profession. instead, they cower in the corner, sign "partnership agreements" with the devil, and sell us out, airline by airline, in order to keep the dues pipeline open. only a miracle will save us now and the nazis, i mean, "management" have outlawed miracles.

Just proves that you dont know the diference between net and gross. The only way you can count it against the 03 contract "costing" is if Eagle contributed NET money to AMRs revenue line. Otherwise, its worth diddly-squat to AMR. You just proved they dont, so you cant use that as one of your APA giveaways. trying to have you cake and eat it to. As far as the cost breakdown between employees, the answer is DOT Fm 41. Just showing more of your PDP ignorance.

Skypilot;

I been lurking here and have decided to register; if only to say one thing.

Allen Pollenz has made reasoned, respectful, polite, and factual responses to your shrill, disrespectful, accusatory, and childlike posts. There is NO QUESTION in my mind who has come out ahead in this debate.

It's OK to have different opinions, but you sir, have been indignant to the point where my perception of you is that you seem to be the kind of person who would trample on the backs of your peers to cross a piccket line. I would be willing to bet that you're a deadbeat dad who owes thousands of dollars in back child-support after your wife left you because she couldn't stand your abrasive arrogant ass! I bet your the kind spineless weenie who would take a job flying an Airbus 320 for $45.00/hour; just so you could tell the chicks you're a jet driver! ("Chicks" is the only favor I'm willing to concede).

There; I feel better. And keep it up PDP. I'm always willing to listen to REASONED arguments from both sides

Alan IS CORRECT!

Because RJs BURN MORE FUEL/SEAT THAN A 727 THAT CANNOT CARRY CARGO, ITS GAME OVER FOR 50% OF ALL RJ OPS!

YOU BOTTOM 50% RJ PILOTS BETTER GET THE HELL OUT NOW BEFORE ITS TOO LATE!