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Old 07-19-2023 | 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Joachim
My guess would be that international night flying in theater is the healthiest cargo option (CGN, or intra asia). You’re on body clock, short legs, low block, and low radiation. There are usually better food options, you have more time to eat, and you often have a high quality gym to yourself. You can definitely screw it up with brats and Kölsch but thats a personal choice.

Having done most types of flying in the 121 world I would say the it comes down to one and done type widebody pax flying and intra theater cargo flying. Of the two I prefer the cargo option.

This is just my personal opinion. I don’t have statistics like rickair777 says he does.

You’ll hear some people describing their ACMI experiences as an indicator of life at Purple/Brown and the reason for choosing pax. That is a mistake. It is very different. We do fly at night domestically. However, between the domestic day time and the international night time flying there are plenty of palatable options. You used to be able to bid those relatively quickly. Things have slowed down now.

That being said, with the rapid movement at legacies and the slowing pace of the aforementioned two I’d advise most aspirants to choose a legacy right now and stick with it. I would not leave a top two cargo slot unless I had little to no time invested and the reasons for leaving were overwhelming.
This month at my ACMI I'm doing one (1) redeye flight, everything else is bankers hours. And I average 50 hours per layover.
40 hours block. So fatiguing.
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Old 07-20-2023 | 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by dera
This month at my ACMI I'm doing one (1) redeye flight, everything else is bankers hours. And I average 50 hours per layover.
40 hours block. So fatiguing.
Its good to see someone taking the time to smell the roses
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Old 07-20-2023 | 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Joachim
My guess would be that international night flying in theater is the healthiest cargo option (CGN, or intra asia). You’re on body clock, short legs, low block, and low radiation. There are usually better food options, you have more time to eat, and you often have a high quality gym to yourself. You can definitely screw it up with brats and Kölsch but thats a personal choice.

Having done most types of flying in the 121 world I would say the it comes down to one and done type widebody pax flying and intra theater cargo flying. Of the two I prefer the cargo option.

This is just my personal opinion. I don’t have statistics like rickair777 says he does.

You’ll hear some people describing their ACMI experiences as an indicator of life at Purple/Brown and the reason for choosing pax. That is a mistake. It is very different. We do fly at night domestically. However, between the domestic day time and the international night time flying there are plenty of palatable options. You used to be able to bid those relatively quickly. Things have slowed down now.

That being said, with the rapid movement at legacies and the slowing pace of the aforementioned two I’d advise most aspirants to choose a legacy right now and stick with it. I would not leave a top two cargo slot unless I had little to no time invested and the reasons for leaving were overwhelming.
Hiring for all types of legacies or cargo is about to come to a screeching halt for 3 years if this age 67 + 364days (read:age 68) passes. Hiring will stop and if the economy takes a dump the warn letters will go out. Congress is single handedly ****ing us all for a second time.

Let us not forget what 2007 (age 65) followed by 2008 did to a lot of us.
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Old 07-20-2023 | 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by dera
This month at my ACMI I'm doing one (1) redeye flight, everything else is bankers hours. And I average 50 hours per layover.
40 hours block. So fatiguing.
Well you work for Atlas flying FedEx freight.....
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Old 07-21-2023 | 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by dera
This month at my ACMI I'm doing one (1) redeye flight, everything else is bankers hours. And I average 50 hours per layover.
40 hours block. So fatiguing.
50 hour layovers sound fully retarded to me.
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Old 07-21-2023 | 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by dsevo
50 hour layovers sound fully retarded to me.
come again?
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Old 07-21-2023 | 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Noisecanceller
Hiring for all types of legacies or cargo is about to come to a screeching halt for 3 years if this age 67 + 364days (read:age 68) passes. Hiring will stop and if the economy takes a dump the warn letters will go out. Congress is single handedly ****ing us all for a second time.

Let us not forget what 2007 (age 65) followed by 2008 did to a lot of us.
Hopefully it won't completely stop, but it will definitely slow. Are you emailing/calling your reps on this? We might get steamrolled either way but if it's close 1,000s of letters/calls might just be enough to get one or two reps to change their vote.

Not sure if you're ALPA but they make it super easy. I lived through age 65 and I'll be ****** if I don't at least fight another age increase.
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Old 07-21-2023 | 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueSkies
Hopefully it won't completely stop, but it will definitely slow. Are you emailing/calling your reps on this? We might get steamrolled either way but if it's close 1,000s of letters/calls might just be enough to get one or two reps to change their vote.

Not sure if you're ALPA but they make it super easy. I lived through age 65 and I'll be ****** if I don't at least fight another age increase.
Done all of the above and I got put out on the street in 08 so the 60yr olds we “desperately needed to keep” could stay employed
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Old 07-21-2023 | 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Noisecanceller
Done all of the above and I got put out on the street in 08 so the 60yr olds we “desperately needed to keep” could stay employed
That's really the irony of the entire thing isnt it.

The ones that benefit the most are most likely out on medical/disability, they cost the most, have the most vacation and are the ones that most likely can afford to survive a bad economic turn unemployed. The ones this is the worst for it just the opposite of all of this. I personally dont see why this is getting any traction other than to slow the migration out of the regional model, a model which by all standards should be destroyed as it will benefit the pilots way more than a two year extension.
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Old 07-21-2023 | 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueSkies
Hopefully it won't completely stop, but it will definitely slow. Are you emailing/calling your reps on this? We might get steamrolled either way but if it's close 1,000s of letters/calls might just be enough to get one or two reps to change their vote.

Not sure if you're ALPA but they make it super easy. I lived through age 65 and I'll be ****** if I don't at least fight another age increase.
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2023...9351689867523/

Unfortunately, the house has already passed age 67. There is a slim chance it will be dropped during reconciliation with the Senate version, but I would prepare for a more geriatric cockpit environment.
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