AA has the best commuter policy. 1 shot, any airline or any other form of transportation, no time constraints. Can still show up late and try and pick something up, including premium, including for the trip that you just got pulled off of…

I don’t believe AA hired younger than Delta, at any point in the last decade.

AA LTD is 50% pay of your best year in the last 5. Tax free option. 401k gets funded as if you were making 100%. If you have no sick time we have a secondary bank to bridge the gap to LTD, 60 days. You can also use that bank to pay extra on top of LTD once there

 

Wow, what a nightmare for commuters. I am a firm believer in seniority but not EVERYTHING needs to be seniority based. Planning commutes should not be one of them.

You can reserve the jumpseat on mainline AA a week out. Takes a lot of the stress out of your commute.

 

I prefer it, much more flexible than having to list at some N-hour like we have to do at some of our regional carriers. There’s also no stress, unless you are an easily stressed out person or maybe a probationary pilot where getting to work actually has a consequence.

 

Average age last year was over 40. So many Eagle flows are middle aged that retirements over the next decade are going up with each new hire class. Of course the best time to get hired was yesterday but today is still better than tomorrow.

 

Delta published that their youngest newhire in 2014 was 27. In Feb. 2014 AA hired a 26 yrs 27 days old pilot. Just after their 26th birthday.

In subsequent years, ignoring AA's flow throughs that skewed the avg age older, UA averaged 37 in 2014 (2015?), DL averaged 39, and AA averaged 37 (after subtracting flow throughs).

Beats me what the bottom age is at each airline but AA hired a 23 yr 5 month yr old last year.

 

I know everyone says they aren’t concerned about maxing out their pay, but most don’t understand the scale of what is occurring. You can often double the pay of your bro who goes straight QOL. The discussion I watched between two WB f/o’s was the QOL guy making $19K in a month, and the guy who knew how to work the system making more than double that (he still only worked 16 days). I’ve seen this at United, and heard of it at Delta, not sure about American.
I get the QOL part, but it’s nice to have options if your kid decides to go to an expensive school.

 

I just looked at the year each 2023 new hire retires at. The mid point of last year's hiring retires in 2050. That's an average of 27 years, or an average of of 38. That's in line with the 2014-2017(?) average of approx. 37 yrs old.

Age of newhires by 5 year groupings* - under 25 - 8, 26-30 - 255, 31-35 - 476, 36-40 - 463, 41-45 - 401, 46-50 - 269, 51-55 - 179, 56-60 - 78, 61+ - 9. Total (finger counted) was 2138 new hires. Obviously a couple double countings or missed people. The midpoint year was 2050. That's an average career of 27 years.



* - it's not exact as individual birth or retirement months weren't tracked. It was just year by year but overall, with 2000+ newhires, I'd guess the average month of hire would be in June and the average date of retirement would be July 1st with minor variations to both estimates.

 

Talked with an AA friend yesterday. He has the next 2 months of with pay. He can fly unlimited premium/overtime trips. IMAX section of the contract allows that. It takes 10 months of hustling and then you get 2 months of with pay (ALV). During the time off you're eligible every single day for 60 straight days. Every single day.

 

DLs youngest pilot hired in 2014 was just over 26 and a half.

wasn't that youngest pilot in 2014 the son of the AA11 FO who passed away on 9/11? I know he was in one of the first classes after AA started hiring again after BK. Seems like a special case.

also why are you excluding flows? If you are a new hire today, it does not matter how anyone senior to you got on the list, just that they are there and when they will leave.

FWIW DL currently has 17,200 pilots

8,400 have 20+ years to go
5,500 have 25+ years to go
2,900 have 30+ years to go
1,100 have 35+ years to go

 

T.M was in the first class. He was 27.

The 25 yr 1 month old was hired in February 2014.

Beats me why Delta's pilot hiring information release said the youngest hired in 2014 was 27.

Because the flows actually work out greater for the newhires. They averaged 45-47 (?? I forget the average age of F/T newhires from those years) so I told guys a LOT of the guys getting hired ahead of them will be gone 10 years sooner than the new hires at all the other airlines. It's a hidden boost to the value of going to AA.

AA data (active line pilots, not including CKA, mgt, etc)(14,400 total per aapilots). Seniority list is 16,500, minus retirements bodies on property is 15,900.

5,100 have 20+ years to go
3,200 have 25+ years to go
1,400 have 30+ years to go
400 have 35+ years to go

That's part of the 'hmmm, where should I go?' analysis.

Maybe someone could post the UA numbers?