KCM/Random Screening Stats
04-19-2024, 05:20 AM
#41
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Not at all however if the flight you board is having a TSA secondary screening you will be considered non compliant if you have liquids. The exemption is for uniformed crew members, not people going on vacation.
04-19-2024, 06:38 AM
#42
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The latest random program is simply a attempt to kill the program another way. The problem is we supplied the ammunition for the TSA attack. People simply refuse to comply. How many posts do you see on here about throwing a uniform on to get through TSA with liquids and then ducking into a bathroom to switch back to civilian cloths? Over the years I personally saw people switching liquids from wives, husbands and friends almost in front of the KCM entrance! JFK audited international non rev travel for a few days and found an astounding rate of non compliance for crew members non reving internationally. Way to many guns have been found. A pilot in my crew had 223 ammo discovered in his bag in London. How hard is it to never put a weapon or ammo under any circumstances in your crew bags?
I suspect in the end a new program will evolve. What form it takes remains to be seen. TSA is documenting every non compliance to kill the program. The higher random rate gives them even more ammunition. They want KCM as we know it gone.
I suspect in the end a new program will evolve. What form it takes remains to be seen. TSA is documenting every non compliance to kill the program. The higher random rate gives them even more ammunition. They want KCM as we know it gone.
This is going to take more legislation but congress is hopelessly deadlocked. Until then all airline pilots should have a withdrawl of enthusiasm against KCM. Clog the lines. Take off one shoe at a time. Refuse to cut in line. Don't take anything out of your bag. They need a reminder of why KCM was created in the first place. To get crew out of the line and move things faster. The new anal logic scanners are already doing a fine job of grinding the lines to a halt. Let's help them.
It will be fixed in a matter of months when the lines go out the airport front doors this summer. Or we can just b1tch online and do nothing.
04-19-2024, 06:51 AM
#43
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHfiMoJUDVQ
04-19-2024, 07:01 AM
#44
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It's not all about vacation. I think most of us have a long deadhead or a long commute much more frequently than we have a vacation.
04-19-2024, 07:41 AM
#45
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No. It is not forbidden. That was made up by sailing to brow beat pilots and to allow him to blame the majority. A small minority of pilots are bringing in real contraband (guns, ammo, not their stuff) and that's what they are usuing as their justification. They are also likely lying by calling greater than 3 oz contraband, which it is not. There is nothing that prevents me from bringing in greater than 3 oz liquids through KCM if I'm not in uniform. I'm just no longer exempt from 3 oz rule if I'm selected for additional screening, which is absurd.
04-19-2024, 07:43 AM
#46
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This is absolutely false. I can buy a gallon of water at the Walgreens in PIT or a liter of cola from Chick-fil-A and am in compliance if I'm secondarily screened. There is absolutely nothing saying that if I go through screening in uniform that I must remain in uniform.
04-19-2024, 07:45 AM
#47
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No. It is not forbidden. That was made up by sailing to brow beat pilots and to allow him to blame the majority. A small minority of pilots are bringing in real contraband (guns, ammo, not their stuff) and that's what they are usuing as their justification. They are also likely lying by calling greater than 3 oz contraband, which it is not. There is nothing that prevents me from bringing in greater than 3 oz liquids through KCM if I'm not in uniform. I'm just no longer exempt from 3 oz rule if I'm selected for additional screening, which is absurd.
04-19-2024, 07:46 AM
#48
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But here's the problem. In the TSA's asinine small minded bureaucrat view bringing a gun through = bringing a bottle of water through in plain clothes. To them a "violation" is a "violation". We are not dealing with rational people. We are dealing with unintelligent government drones who have no desire to do anything but suck off the government titty. They are brainwashed that their "mission" is the bedrock of protecting democracy and the American way from enemies foreign and domestic. They see themselves as front line warriors defending the homeland every day from 3.4 ounce shampoo bottles being smuggled in from everywhere. You cannot reason with people who aren't reasonable.
This is going to take more legislation but congress is hopelessly deadlocked. Until then all airline pilots should have a withdrawl of enthusiasm against KCM. Clog the lines. Take off one shoe at a time. Refuse to cut in line. Don't take anything out of your bag. They need a reminder of why KCM was created in the first place. To get crew out of the line and move things faster. The new anal logic scanners are already doing a fine job of grinding the lines to a halt. Let's help them.
It will be fixed in a matter of months when the lines go out the airport front doors this summer. Or we can just b1tch online and do nothing.
This is going to take more legislation but congress is hopelessly deadlocked. Until then all airline pilots should have a withdrawl of enthusiasm against KCM. Clog the lines. Take off one shoe at a time. Refuse to cut in line. Don't take anything out of your bag. They need a reminder of why KCM was created in the first place. To get crew out of the line and move things faster. The new anal logic scanners are already doing a fine job of grinding the lines to a halt. Let's help them.
It will be fixed in a matter of months when the lines go out the airport front doors this summer. Or we can just b1tch online and do nothing.
04-19-2024, 08:34 AM
#49
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Clogging the lines does absolutely nothing. The TSA doesn't care if the lines are long. Just yesterday, I cut in front of passengers who had been waiting at the X-ray machine for 15 minutes because crew kept getting randomed. When they complained to the agent, the agent just shrugged and said, "they have to get to their flight or none of the airplanes move. Sorry."
I don't but from what I've read and been told the TSA is evaluated based on checkpoint wait times and checkpoint puthrough. They are also held accountable when people miss flights due to lengthy checkpoint delays particularly when those delays involve crew members unable to report to their airplane.
I know you like being the resident contrarian here and I'm not sure what other motivation you'd have to take this position but from everything I've seen and heard since the TSA's inception they absolutely do care if the lines are long your opinion notwithstanding. And KCM was most definitely created to get the crewmembers out of the regular security line and expedite screening. They can claim that's not a need any more but I think we all know better. Your opinion notwithstanding.
04-19-2024, 08:59 AM
#50
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Do you have data to back this opinion up?
I don't but from what I've read and been told the TSA is evaluated based on checkpoint wait times and checkpoint puthrough. They are also held accountable when people miss flights due to lengthy checkpoint delays particularly when those delays involve crew members unable to report to their airplane.
I know you like being the resident contrarian here and I'm not sure what other motivation you'd have to take this position but from everything I've seen and heard since the TSA's inception they absolutely do care if the lines are long your opinion notwithstanding. And KCM was most definitely created to get the crewmembers out of the regular security line and expedite screening. They can claim that's not a need any more but I think we all know better. Your opinion notwithstanding.
I don't but from what I've read and been told the TSA is evaluated based on checkpoint wait times and checkpoint puthrough. They are also held accountable when people miss flights due to lengthy checkpoint delays particularly when those delays involve crew members unable to report to their airplane.
I know you like being the resident contrarian here and I'm not sure what other motivation you'd have to take this position but from everything I've seen and heard since the TSA's inception they absolutely do care if the lines are long your opinion notwithstanding. And KCM was most definitely created to get the crewmembers out of the regular security line and expedite screening. They can claim that's not a need any more but I think we all know better. Your opinion notwithstanding.
And no, just like you, I don't have any data. It's just an opinion from my observations. TSA has probably increased the random rate 100-200% in the last year and it hasn't caused any meaningful reduction or increase in wait times.
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