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SonicFlyer 05-07-2024 06:11 PM

Will Embrarer fill the void left by Boeing?
 
https://viewfromthewing.com/embraer-...mors-for-jets/

bonvoyage 05-07-2024 07:18 PM


Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3799687)

no.

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TransWorld 05-07-2024 10:55 PM


Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3799687)

The make a great RJ. i keep hearing they are working on a comperable to the A320 and the B737-700/800. That still leaves a lot on the table that they are not showing signs of picking up. So, short answer, no.

PNWFlyer 05-08-2024 05:17 AM


Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3799687)


well, according to Embraer, no.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...q1-2024-05-07/

Excargodog 05-08-2024 05:17 AM


Originally Posted by TransWorld (Post 3799741)
The make a great RJ. i keep hearing they are working on a comperable to the A320 and the B737-700/800. That still leaves a lot on the table that they are not showing signs of picking up. So, short answer, no.

They had every intention of pushing up the size and efficiency of their aircraft offerings but ran afoul of the US scope clauses like the larger E2 series. Then there was the reluctance of Brazil to give up the Embraer defense branch of the company to Boeing that did in the planned sale to Boeing. But they have every skill set needed to build something bigger and competitive.

https://www.financialexpress.com/bus...-iaf-3389594/#

rickair7777 05-08-2024 08:22 AM

Yeah the hump (very big hump) is the US scope clauses right smack in the middle of their obvious NB growth path.

They can't market a 180-seater out of the blue... they would be crushed by both BCA and AB. Deliberately.

Their potential path would be to establish a customer base and product support niche in the 100-seat range and gradually sneak in bigger planes. But scope...

The US isn't the only place you can sell planes, but China will eventually build exportable NB's, and the non-US market is what they're going to target. So competition everywhere. I can't really blame Embraer for staying in their niche.

Cachaco 05-10-2024 08:22 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3799834)
Yeah the hump (very big hump) is the US scope clauses right smack in the middle of their obvious NB growth path.

They can't market a 180-seater out of the blue... they would be crushed by both BCA and AB. Deliberately.

Crushed? They can barely keep up and stay profitable. If Embraer wants to make a competing NB, they will. It’s all about resources.

PNWFlyer 05-10-2024 10:06 PM


Originally Posted by Cachaco (Post 3801153)
Crushed? They can barely keep up and stay profitable. If Embraer wants to make a competing NB, they will. It’s all about resources.

no, they will not. Why? Because they don’t have the resources.

tallpilot 05-11-2024 09:24 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3799834)
Yeah the hump (very big hump) is the US scope clauses right smack in the middle of their obvious NB growth path.

They can't market a 180-seater out of the blue... they would be crushed by both BCA and AB. Deliberately.

Their potential path would be to establish a customer base and product support niche in the 100-seat range and gradually sneak in bigger planes. But scope...

The US isn't the only place you can sell planes, but China will eventually build exportable NB's, and the non-US market is what they're going to target. So competition everywhere. I can't really blame Embraer for staying in their niche.

The hump bites two ways. It makes sense to have a single type aircraft ranging from 70-120 seats. But it only makes sense if the same pilots fly both the smaller and larger variants.

It also makes more sense in the US than most other high income countries. We have a huge landmass full of small to medium sized cities with airports. China and Russia also fit this description but are middle income.

OpieTaylor 05-11-2024 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3799775)
They had every intention of pushing up the size and efficiency of their aircraft offerings but ran afoul of the US scope clauses like the larger E2 series. Then there was the reluctance of Brazil to give up the Embraer defense branch of the company to Boeing that did in the planned sale to Boeing. But they have every skill set needed to build something bigger and competitive.

https://www.financialexpress.com/bus...-iaf-3389594/#

Embraer should have bought the C series, it’s already designed to scale up to a -500 variant.

Bombardier should have launched the -500 first.

They would have to spend a fortune to sell what it already does. Airbus only has to put it into production when the time is right. They also should have bought the CRJ support, I think Mitsubishi is lost with that.


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