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Old 11-06-2025 | 03:11 AM
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Originally Posted by MaxQ
I follow your logic.

Every employee in any sort of payroll system has to have a tax ID number or a Ssec number.
Elsewise the employer is unable to deduct the wages as expenses. Or issue a 1099.
If the employer pockets the Fica withholding, They could do the same with IRS withholding.
Of course they would get caught when they issue 1099s and the immigrant, whether documented or not, files their taxes.*
I suspect it happens, but the risk to the employer would be high.

*Yes, large numbers of people in the USA without documentation file tax returns.
How do I know this? Because my wife used to run a small side business in which she did tax returns.
Due to language skills, essentially all her clients were immigrants. A significant percentage were not documented. They still filed taxes so they would be left alone.
They also cheat by “sending” illegals 1099’s for work they never did. The contractors are unloading their own tax debt. Immigrants never files it or could not even get it, or could file it since a surprising amount of income under 1099 carries very little taxes. Can’t object anyways because usually that is the only hand feeding them.

Not reporting a 1099 makes the employee look like they are underreporting their income, doesn’t really carry the appearance the employer is unloading taxable income onto others illegally.



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Old 11-06-2025 | 03:33 AM
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Originally Posted by OpieTaylor
They also cheat by “sending” illegals 1099’s for work they never did. The contractors are unloading their own tax debt. Immigrants never files it or could not even get it, can’t object anyways because usually that is the only hand feeding them.
I suspect there are many scams I am ignorant of.
it does sound like a risky game for an established emmiployer.
Old 11-06-2025 | 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by MaxQ
I suspect there are many scams I am ignorant of.
it does sound like a risky game for an established emmiployer.
That's the problem, it's not really risky for employers.

I'm a big fan of comprehensive reform, but there seems to be an unholy alliance between open-border radicals and certain business interests to keep the status quo. The weird thing is that the big fortune 500 political donors probably don't actually hire many illegals due to the nature of their business... it's further down the business food chain, but I guess those faolks must have influence too.

We obviously have jobs for immigrants, but when we let in too many illegals we flood the lower-middle class job markets with artificially low cost labor. That screws some Americans who'd like those jobs, and also the rest of us who have to pay for the social programs that the employers and illegals are not paying for (via taxes).

We should setup a system to readily and easily allow in the people we do need, while still maintaining robust screening to avoid criminals and national security threats, and being flooded with people we cannot economically and culturally assimilate.

1. Prioritize Mexico & Canada (proximity and strong economic and cultural ties). Then our permanent military allies.

2. Match immigrants to job requirements/skill level.

3. Eliminate friends and family programs, which amounts to open borders once you get one legal immigrant in to establish a beachhead. Allow immediate family, but only after a waiting period and they still have to be screened thoroughly.

4. Establish real criminal penalties for illegal entry (or visa overstay). Like 6-12 months in a low security detention camp before deportation.

5. Establish even more severe penalties for employers who knowingly hire them.

6. Shred treaties which obligate us to accept asylum seekers (that kind of thing is just more open borders BS). We are perfectly capable of making our own decisions about asylum seekers, without that being dictated by world government. That should be a political decision weighting economics, societal cost, and national security with charity.
Old 11-06-2025 | 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
That's the problem, it's not really risky for employers.


We obviously have jobs for immigrants, but when we let in too many illegals we flood the lower-middle class job markets with artificially low cost labor. That screws some Americans who'd like those jobs, and also the rest of us who have to pay for the social programs that the employers and illegals are not paying for (via taxes).
It's not necessarily low-wage. Illegals have taken over sectors of construction by squeezing out the American labor. They now call the market on wages. At least where I live.
Old 11-06-2025 | 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by ThumbsUp
It's not necessarily low-wage. Illegals have taken over sectors of construction by squeezing out the American labor. They now call the market on wages. At least where I live.
Engineering too.

Job that normally pays $100k. They get no takers at 75k. "Can't fill" then H1B it.

H1B legal immigration has suppressed wages in a lot of white collar jobs too.
Old 11-06-2025 | 10:05 AM
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Farming/agriculture make up such a small portion of where legal and illegal immigrants end up. A vast majority end up in the big cities… necessitating the need to raise taxes, displace blacks and ensure rent prices increase.

Some Countries require any legal immigrants to add value to their society IE: Doctor, engineer or some other in demand trade. The US (and GB, which isn’t going so well for them) decide to allow mass illegal immigration. If they’re walking across the border, chances are they are not very skilled workers.

And then we wonder why things go sour.

But not to worry, rent control is on its way in several cities. It’ll be awesome.
Old 11-06-2025 | 11:07 AM
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Crawling roofs is a tall day under sun. Every day.

Affordability, remember? Expense higher unit cost on labor intensive construction, raise your prices. Watch buyers sign more competitive offers.

Old 11-07-2025 | 06:23 AM
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My dad was awarded a work visa in 1970. He had a kitchen job lined up in Atlanta (sponsor requirement), had to take a US medical exam, and had to throw his name into the hat for Vietnam. He had a little bit of English training but soon became well versed in the local cultural dialect and by dialect I mean Jive (golly!)

By 1983 we were on the West Coast—he was fluent in Spanish at this point—and many of his employees had to be let go due to immigration issues.
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Originally Posted by at6d
My dad was awarded a work visa in 1970. He had a kitchen job lined up in Atlanta (sponsor requirement), had to take a US medical exam, and had to throw his name into the hat for Vietnam. He had a little bit of English training but soon became well versed in the local cultural dialect and by dialect I mean Jive (golly!)

By 1983 we were on the West Coast—he was fluent in Spanish at this point—and many of his employees had to be let go due to immigration issues.
Happened all the time probably. Just never made the news. Mine came through Ellis Island.

It’s whipsaw, it’s survival. It’s a risky gamble on opportunity or whatever else you want to call it. Just forget pretending migrant transformation is a free ride or hasn’t been tacitly permitted to end run civil process. Let’s face it, putting blind faith in democratic reform around here is dead as Kelsey’s nuts.
Old 11-10-2025 | 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by 11atsomto
Most of our immigrants are illegal, which is is to the detriment of legal immigrants.
Care to provide a source?
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