Spirit 's new minimums
07-31-2007 | 05:32 AM
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More than anything they are going to miss out on some quality pilots who will move to Delta, CAL, UAL, NWA, Airtran, etc., instead of waiting until they have 5000 hours. If you are in the left seat of an RJ, it doesn't matter if you have 3500 hours or 10,000 hours. You can either learn a new aircraft or not. Once you are an RJ Captain for a year or two, more time is not going to make you more apt to pass initial training in an Airbus.
07-31-2007 | 05:57 AM
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"Such as...?"
Such as money wise???
SWA, CAL, DAL, AS,AirTran, B6(A320), FDX, UPS...you can even throw in UA in there prob.
The mins will come down. 5000 to fly 319 (and make 40, 52, 56, sure once in a while you might be able to get the 321 rates $5-7/hr more WOW) as a FO is really a JOKE. A regional CA with that sort of time will be taking a pay cut for a while. Therefore you guys will not be getting quality pilots, and the mins will come down.
Don’t take offence Short Bus, just stating the obvious
Such as money wise???
SWA, CAL, DAL, AS,AirTran, B6(A320), FDX, UPS...you can even throw in UA in there prob.
The mins will come down. 5000 to fly 319 (and make 40, 52, 56, sure once in a while you might be able to get the 321 rates $5-7/hr more WOW) as a FO is really a JOKE. A regional CA with that sort of time will be taking a pay cut for a while. Therefore you guys will not be getting quality pilots, and the mins will come down.
Don’t take offence Short Bus, just stating the obvious
I am not taking "offence" (are you British?).
I was just asking about "WAY more" money? I don't think so. Maybe SWA,DAL. NOT CAL, B6, or even UAL,NWA.(first year) The pay rates on the Airline Central are misleading BTW way. We DO NOT get MORE money for the 321. We were supposed to, but that's another story. We have a "blended" rate now. So the rates are a "LITTLE" (emphasis on LITTLE) higher than what is shown. Also, as previously stated, QOL is real good here. (for now) Contract is in negotiations, and we are "Standing up to the MAN-agement."
I think they raised the mins because we were getting some crappy FOs from the regionals. The kind that didn't "pay dues"; Gulfstream, "zero to hero" types. And they came in with such attitude. Again, another story.
And I do agree, it is not the TOTAL time itself. QUALITY of time is it.
I think we should lean towards a SWA like interview. Get to know the type of person. BTW, I heard a FTD type of check is now, or going to be, used to make sure you can actually fly an airplane.!!!
07-31-2007 | 07:01 AM
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I personally think the LOI concept that SWA and FDX use is a wonderful tool...not very time consuming, and cost very little. It would be easy to see with an LOI (Line Oriented Interview) who the idiots are and who the real pilots are.
08-01-2007 | 12:11 AM
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[Some of our Wizz Kids look as though they have to be dropped off at the airport by their parents...geesh they look young!]
They must have missed the section on the app where it clearly asks, "How old and haggard do you appear to be?"
They must have missed the section on the app where it clearly asks, "How old and haggard do you appear to be?"
08-01-2007 | 09:02 AM
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I heard from some of the pilots who atteneded the latest ALPA meeting that B.B. stated next years captain upgrades have not been hired yet... I think that explains the 5K TT. PS... I saw Aruba and Ponce have been added... Both nice places...
08-01-2007 | 01:13 PM
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Let it ride out and see what happens. Voice your opinion to your rep. and let them do their job. I have heard from a handful of guys that they are demanding the ACY LOA be pulled. The way we as a group handle this will speak volumes. Im just Johnny Newguy but thats my .02...
08-01-2007 | 05:18 PM
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Let it ride out and see what happens. Voice your opinion to your rep. and let them do their job. I have heard from a handful of guys that they are demanding the ACY LOA be pulled. The way we as a group handle this will speak volumes. Im just Johnny Newguy but thats my .02...
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