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Originally Posted by Lowslung
(Post 4024541)
Please explain “monumental success”. What exactly is it you think we have accomplished with this war? Genuinely curious.
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Originally Posted by AAdvocate
(Post 4024544)
You sound mad bro. Never seen so many people root against the United States of America just so they can say they were right. Huge success with minimal loss (I think the casualty count still hasn't exceeded what we suffered in a single day during one of the worst blundered military operations in history, the Afghan withdrawal). Why that angers people like you will be something that will be studied for decades to come. What a strange time we live in.
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Originally Posted by Moonbeam
(Post 4024512)
I am still waiting on the data on why we actually
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Originally Posted by Lowslung
(Post 4024541)
Please explain “monumental success”. What exactly is it you think we have accomplished with this war? Genuinely curious.
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
(Post 4024513)
So you are saying this new high doesn’t REALLY affect my 401k?
alt=""https://i.ibb.co/cKY3zFj7/93-F73-B79...E4-F88-D61.jpg I beg to differ. |
April 17, 2026, 6:41 AM PDT / Updated April 17, 2026, 9:24 AM PDT By Steve KopackThe price of oil plunged sharply and two U.S. stock indexes hit all-time highs Friday after Iran’s foreign minister said the Strait of Hormuz was open for commercial vessels. “In line with the ceasefire in Lebanon, the passage for all commercial vessels through Strait of Hormuz is declared completely open for the remaining period of ceasefire, on the coordinated route as already announced by Ports and Maritime Organisation of the Islamic Rep. of Iran,” Abbas Araghchi wrote in a post on X. U.S. crude oil plunged 12% to around $83 per barrel, while international Brent crude also slid more than 10% to around $89 per barrel. Heating oil futures, which are a proxy for jet fuel, plummeted 11%. Wholesale RBOB gas futures also fell 6%. |
Originally Posted by furloughfuntime
(Post 4024284)
There is also a political spectrum within Iran; they have their own version of liberals, moderates, and conservatives within their context. Speaking of them as a political monolith ignores the extent to which US actions have given strength to their most fiery fundamentalists at the expense of their more reasonable moderates. Pulling out of the JCPOA undermined the "moderates" over there and has lent credence to their most hard line leaders; if the US won't even uphold it's own end of the bargain, why bargain at all? We have contributed to that "monster" significantly by our own bad-faith actions.
I don't think that waiting for the moderates to take over was ever a viable strategy (we were actually kind of waiting and hoping back in the day when I was involved, but nothing has really changed over the years). For the same reason I think that shooting for or talking about regime change in this conflict is a fool's errand.
Originally Posted by furloughfuntime
(Post 4024284)
As far as the religious difference between IR and NK, I don't think that point has much salience. The NK leader is viewed as divine as well, and just because Islam has it's own eschatology doesn't make it any different from Christianity.
In IR, the system revolves around a doctrine that is somewhat open to interpretation, and the leaders are consider stewards of the cause. They are not prophets or divine, and thus need to keep the fanatics happy with their diligence and stewardship. The IRGC et al is a monster that the regime created and now needs to keep fed.
Originally Posted by furloughfuntime
(Post 4024284)
Christianity is equally concerned with bringing about the apocalypse as Islam is from a theological perspective.
Originally Posted by furloughfuntime
(Post 4024284)
Are the generals who purportedly referred to the book of Revelations and the Sec of War constantly referencing scripture in press conferences really that much different than the IRGC spewing their version of fire and brimstone?
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
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Originally Posted by AAdvocate
(Post 4024544)
You sound mad bro. Never seen so many people root against the United States of America just so they can say they were right. Huge success with minimal loss (I think the casualty count still hasn't exceeded what we suffered in a single day during one of the worst blundered military operations in history, the Afghan withdrawal). Why that angers people like you will be something that will be studied for decades to come. What a strange time we live in.
Thats all we have accomplished. It doesn’t mean I’m unpatriotic…I just know how this ends. You are attracted to strong personalities and hate liberals , I get that. What you need is someone strong to follow. Kind of like the song Opiate. |
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