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John Carr 05-09-2026 03:43 PM


Originally Posted by biigD (Post 4033931)
WTF airline’s MEC is this???

Fixed

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fcoolaiddrinker 05-09-2026 03:44 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 4033929)
The way it went with the case Im familiar with, company asked for a sick note after what they considered excessive use (4 times in a rolling 12 month period). The guy said in his state thats not a legal request, so they fired him for sick abuse.
Union grieved it, grievance obviously denied. Went to arbitration and arbitrator said that under RLA unless you can prove the company is wrong, their position is always correct, and with no sick notes he had nothing to counter. Arbitrator held the termination.

Interesting, sounds like the guy might have locked himself into that position by saying that in an email or recorded phone line? Either way once disciplinary action looks eminent better to just let the union take over and make an argument. You can sometimes handcuff reps with written statements and recorded phone calls.

dera 05-09-2026 03:59 PM


Originally Posted by fcoolaiddrinker (Post 4033935)
Interesting, sounds like the guy might have locked himself into that position by saying that in an email or recorded phone line? Either way once disciplinary action looks eminent better to just let the union take over and make an argument. You can sometimes handcuff reps with written statements and recorded phone calls.

Yeah this guy managed to **** off the company with his response before reps got involved.
He would have kept his job if he just went mea culpa, but he went full sovereign citizen on them and tried to be smarter than others.

Prospect 05-09-2026 04:04 PM

Anyone from United or know what United does? Or Allegiant, UPS, Fedex, Jet Blue, or others?

fcoolaiddrinker 05-09-2026 04:09 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 4033938)
Yeah this guy managed to **** off the company with his response before reps got involved.
He would have kept his job if he just went mea culpa, but he went full sovereign citizen on them and tried to be smarter than others.

Sounds about right. We had a guy call in sick 20 plus times on probation. In the disciplinary hearing with the union fighting for his job he told the chief pilot to F off. Then got ****ed at alpa for not saving his job. Unfreeking believable.

NuGuy 05-09-2026 04:09 PM


Originally Posted by FangsF15 (Post 4033831)
No. Sick use over 120 hours in prior 12 rolling months requires a note on a subsequent sick call, in the next subsequent bid period (assuming you're still above 120).(until you are less than 120 hours of ‘lookback’).

Separately, the company may inquire under a “good faith basis” and may require a note, but there are exemptions and they have to tell you the reason for the inqiry. Patterns or amount of sick are not valid reasons for GFB. The company pays for all medical bills if they GFB you.

It’s much more of a annoyance than anything.

FIFY....filler

fcoolaiddrinker 05-09-2026 05:20 PM


Originally Posted by Prospect (Post 4033942)
Anyone from United or know what United does? Or Allegiant, UPS, Fedex, Jet Blue, or others?

I would be surprised if there’s much variation as it’s mostly insurance driven. Your just not going to come to an agreement if the company has no way of cyaing for medical issues they could/should have known about. Hopefully others from those companies will chime in.

tanker 05-11-2026 04:27 AM


Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450 (Post 4033731)
SWA…nope. You may get a “wellness check” phone call if you have consecutive sick calls…green on green we call it.

When I was at WN I got called by an Assistant Chief because Scheduling had reported that I had called out for 3 trips in a row, I informed him that the trips were all turns so I had only called out for 3 days.

rickair7777 05-11-2026 06:31 AM


Originally Posted by tanker (Post 4034421)
When I was at WN I got called by an Assistant Chief because Scheduling had reported that I had called out for 3 trips in a row, I informed him that the trips were all turns so I had only called out for 3 days.

I've seen that, where an airline counted sick occurrences by trips, or reserve days. A line holder could call out 4x annually and not even show up on the radar, while a reserve could get sick just once, trigger five or six occurrences in one week and then be in hot water.

Stupid Management Tricks.

hockeypilot44 05-11-2026 07:13 AM

Disregard.


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