Martin404

Any idea on when AAL will start to recall and how long it will take to go through the list?

Marty...

AAflyer

Marty,

AA has been recalling since the start of the year. They have been putting through classes of roughly 40 as of late, however 50 have been going on the seniority list (MLOA guys stay on MIL leave however their names on back on the list) and they may return when they like.

Next month starts 50 recalls. 25 will start early Oct, and another 25 in the middle of Oct. Not sure if they will continue to put more on the seniority list every month (MLOA guys + actual recalls).


We just retired roughly 40 pilots at the start of Sept. Retirements do nothing but go up monthly and yearly here. (Not factoring any change to 60).

Consensus among many is that by next summer or fall they will have to atleast start formulating a plan for applications, the process etc. That usually takes a few months to set up. If things progress, and some pilots stay at their new airlines we could POSSIBLY be hiring by the very end of 2008, more likely the start or middle of 2009.


Best,

AAflyer

Martin404

Any Idea on how many are by-passing or resigning? (By-pass ratio?)

AAflyer

That seems to vary month to month, it has gone up to 1 out of 6. We are starting another class today. If not mistaken we are down to around 900 on the recall list, and roughly 300+/- recalled.

I can see the above ratio staying that way as we get further down on the list, and furloughees decide to stay at their new respective airline. However, a large aircraft order (with 787) and/ or a new contract that sets the bar MAY push the number of furloghees wanting to return.

AAflyer

ZapBrannigan

I believe AA furloughees also have the option to bypass furlough for 3 years after the last furloughee has been recalled (correct me if i'm wrong). If that is the case, what would be the incentive to return??

Why not wait and return with significant seniority?

wtrav8r

Zap-

Many of the TWA folks below the staple point have accumulated longevity pay. Therefore when they are recalled, their salary may be much more than what they are currently making on the streets. Although they are very junior in senority.

FliFast

All the more reason to keep those darn TWA-ers off the property, some hired as early as 1988 and are junior to 2001 hires at American.

It was a fantastic win for AMR management to have these disgruntled TWA-ers (high priced labor) to be furloughed as oppossed to the relatively newhires which were on second and third year pay.

Just to be clear, those TWA-ers have not accumulated any pay longevity during their 4-6 year furlough vacation. However, as part of the AA-TWA merger, one of the concessions Don Carty gave to APA MEC John Darrah to cooperate with the merger was the restoration of years of service for the NAAtives that were furloughed during the 90's so in essence they accumulated years of service longetivity during their furlough.

Thank goodness for AMR's management that the pilot union, the APA, hasn't suggested the same benefit of longetivity resotoration for those darn TWA-er's which would put over 50% of those returning red-tails to return from furlough at the top of the pay scales. Can you imagine how much it would cost AMR, if the APA would help those TWA pilot troublemakers to have a better career in the form of more money in their pocket after they return from furlough.

I sigh a sigh of relief to know that the APA would rather save the company millions then negotiatate a credit of years of service for those undeserving k-mart pilots who have been furloughed for 4-6 years.

I know exactly what Gerard Arpey will do with the millions in savings. His golf buddies haven't received bonuses in months :-(

The original question was what percentage are bypassing recall. According to the Joe King model as of Aug 30:

Total: 334 of 948 = 35.2% ( MLOA/MDS: 157 = 16.6%). So as of Aug 30, only 334 have been recalled. Anyone have other stats.

FF

7576FO

[quote=FliFast;226143]All the more reason to keep those darn TWA-ers off the property, some hired as early as 1988 and are junior to 2001 hires at American.

It was a fantastic win for AMR management to have these disgruntled TWA-ers (high priced labor) to be furloughed as oppossed to the relatively newhires which were on second and third year pay.

Just to be clear, those TWA-ers have not accumulated any pay longevity during their 4-6 year furlough vacation. However, as part of the AA-TWA merger, one of the concessions Don Carty gave to APA MEC John Darrah to cooperate with the merger was the restoration of years of service for the NAAtives that were furloughed during the 90's so in essence they accumulated years of service longetivity during their furlough.

Thank goodness for AMR's management that the pilot union, the APA, hasn't suggested the same benefit of longetivity resotoration for those darn TWA-er's which would put over 50% of those returning red-tails to return from furlough at the top of the pay scales. Can you imagine how much it would cost AMR, if the APA would help those TWA pilot troublemakers to have a better career in the form of more money in their pocket after they return from furlough.

I sigh a sigh of relief to know that the APA would rather save the company millions then negotiatate a credit of years of service for those undeserving k-mart pilots who have been furloughed for 4-6 years.

I know exactly what Gerard Arpey will do with the millions in savings. His golf buddies haven't received bonuses in months :-(

The original question was what percentage are bypassing recall. According to the Joe King model as of Aug 30:

Total: 334 of 948 = 35.2% ( MLOA/MDS: 157 = 16.6%). So as of Aug 30, only 334 have been recalled. Anyone have other stats.


Yes, I do!

One of my buds is 98 TWA hire. You;re implying ALL TWA pilots furloughed were at the 12 yr FO pay Scale. That is wrong.

Where did you get the 35% bypassing #. Where? No really Where?

You apparently fly for UPS. How then if I work for AAL right now and have a difficult time getting bypass #'s ..How can you know?

There is/was another reason the 90's furloughees were made Whole..but you omit it.

If you're gonna tell a story, make sure you know it.

Oldfreightdawg

You are correct. And that is exactly why the LOA was written this way. Which begs the question: how many deferrals are waiting to see what kind of contract APA ends up with? Seems to me it's not just a matter of seniority, but also of the future earnings/QOL issues still to be hammered out. It could be none of the deferrals return if AAL returns to the brink of BK, or all of them if APA lands a UPS CBA. Who knows?

7576FO

I'll be the jerk here...

I think (I think opinion following) If you bypass recall your sen # should be ratio'd after one year.

I'm near the bottom reserve. Working my ass off, other pilots below me staying out on furlough waiting to see waht happens...My ass is tied to this airline. So yeah, I take it personal