United A-320 Landing at ORD send 2 to Hospital!!!
10-11-2007, 11:23 PM
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United A-320 Landing at ORD send 2 to Hospital!!!
UAL A320 Suffers 'Substantial' Damage In Off-Runway Excursion
Thu, 11 Oct '07
Two Passengers Taken To Hospital Following Hard Landing At ORD
A United Airlines Airbus A320 with 127 people onboard went off the runway following a hard landing at Chicago's O'Hare International Airport Tuesday night, resulting in two dented engine nacelles and at least two passenger injuries.
"We came down and as we landed, the first thing that happened is we just hit -- real hard, on the first impact," passenger Andy Pasternak told Chicago's NBC5 after the incident, which involved Flight 628 from Seattle. "It was unusually hard."
The aircraft blew a right maingear tire on landing, and departed runway 22 right at approximately 2030 CDT Tuesday. The aircraft then rolled back onto the runway, before coming to a stop.
"The engine must have, at that point, started hitting something, hitting some objects on the ground," Pasternak said. "Because there were very significant dents in the engine that you could see."
The aircraft was able to taxi to the gate under its own power. Two people onboard were taken to the hospital with unspecified injuries, and a flight attendant was also reportedly injured.
"It was the hardest hit I've ever had in an airplane, and we fly every week," said another passenger, Ron Bellamy.
UAL representatives declined to be interview, saying only the airline would investigate... and that safety was the carrier's Number 1 priority.
According to Bellamy, United pilots also have a gift for understatement.
"The pilot did say something" after the incident, Bellamy said. "He said 'Welcome to Chicago!'"
IDENTIFICATION
Regis#: 431UA Make/Model: A320 Description: A-320
Date: 10/10/2007 Time: 0134
Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
Damage: Substantial
LOCATION
City: CHICAGO State: IL Country: US
DESCRIPTION
N431UA, UNITED AIRLINES FLIGHT 628, AN AIRBUS A320 AIRCRAFT, LANDED HARD,
BLEW A RIGHT MAIN TIRE, WENT OFF THE RUNWAY, RE-ENTERED THE RUNWAY AND
TAXIED TO THE GATE, TWO PERSONS ON BOARD SUSTAINED UNKNOWN INJURIES, DAMAGE TO THE AIRCRAFT SUBSTANTIAL, CHICAGO, IL
INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
# Crew: 5 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: 1
# Pass: 122 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: 1
# Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
WEATHER: 0051Z 30017G23 10SM CLR 16/14 A2991
OTHER DATA
Activity: Business Phase: Landing Operation: Air Carrier
FAA FSDO: WEST CHICAGO, IL (GL03) Entry date: 10/10/2007
Thu, 11 Oct '07
Two Passengers Taken To Hospital Following Hard Landing At ORD
A United Airlines Airbus A320 with 127 people onboard went off the runway following a hard landing at Chicago's O'Hare International Airport Tuesday night, resulting in two dented engine nacelles and at least two passenger injuries.
The aircraft blew a right maingear tire on landing, and departed runway 22 right at approximately 2030 CDT Tuesday. The aircraft then rolled back onto the runway, before coming to a stop.
"The engine must have, at that point, started hitting something, hitting some objects on the ground," Pasternak said. "Because there were very significant dents in the engine that you could see."
The aircraft was able to taxi to the gate under its own power. Two people onboard were taken to the hospital with unspecified injuries, and a flight attendant was also reportedly injured.
"It was the hardest hit I've ever had in an airplane, and we fly every week," said another passenger, Ron Bellamy.
UAL representatives declined to be interview, saying only the airline would investigate... and that safety was the carrier's Number 1 priority.
According to Bellamy, United pilots also have a gift for understatement.
"The pilot did say something" after the incident, Bellamy said. "He said 'Welcome to Chicago!'"
IDENTIFICATIONRegis#: 431UA Make/Model: A320 Description: A-320
Date: 10/10/2007 Time: 0134
Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
Damage: Substantial
LOCATION
City: CHICAGO State: IL Country: US
DESCRIPTION
N431UA, UNITED AIRLINES FLIGHT 628, AN AIRBUS A320 AIRCRAFT, LANDED HARD,
BLEW A RIGHT MAIN TIRE, WENT OFF THE RUNWAY, RE-ENTERED THE RUNWAY AND
TAXIED TO THE GATE, TWO PERSONS ON BOARD SUSTAINED UNKNOWN INJURIES, DAMAGE TO THE AIRCRAFT SUBSTANTIAL, CHICAGO, IL
INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
# Crew: 5 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: 1
# Pass: 122 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: 1
# Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
WEATHER: 0051Z 30017G23 10SM CLR 16/14 A2991
OTHER DATA
Activity: Business Phase: Landing Operation: Air Carrier
FAA FSDO: WEST CHICAGO, IL (GL03) Entry date: 10/10/2007
10-12-2007, 07:12 AM
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I wonder how heat will come from the FAA and management for the flight taxiing to the gate... It's one thing to land hard and blow a tire (accident). Another to continue operating a "dented" plane and taxi in?
Don't know all the specifics, so I'll try not to MMQB (anymore than I have), but seems like a tug might have been appropriate since the amount of damage to the plane (engines, steering, brakes, etc) probably couldn't be ascertained from the flight deck.
Don't know all the specifics, so I'll try not to MMQB (anymore than I have), but seems like a tug might have been appropriate since the amount of damage to the plane (engines, steering, brakes, etc) probably couldn't be ascertained from the flight deck.
10-12-2007, 11:46 AM
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Sh!t happens. Learn from it when the report report comes out, and don't let it happen to you. And try to avoid being a Monday morning QB until all the facts are in, and even then, Mon. AM QBing should always be discouraged. Meantime, lets not crap on our brother pilots on this forum. End.
10-12-2007, 12:37 PM
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Ouch!
For those of you who don't fly into ORD, 22R is typically a LAHSO runway, and due to the 2 1/2 mile spacing ORD gets, Tower expects aircraft to exit at Taxiway C, which doesn't leave much room to land and stop. Most pilots I know typically duck the glideslope right near the end of this approach and come in on the slow side of Vref, just so they can make it. An Airbus should be able to make the taxiway, a CRJ 50 requires a lot more skill to put it on and stop it in order to exit Taxiway C than does an Airbus. Nonetheless, not surprising every now and then.
For those of you who don't fly into ORD, 22R is typically a LAHSO runway, and due to the 2 1/2 mile spacing ORD gets, Tower expects aircraft to exit at Taxiway C, which doesn't leave much room to land and stop. Most pilots I know typically duck the glideslope right near the end of this approach and come in on the slow side of Vref, just so they can make it. An Airbus should be able to make the taxiway, a CRJ 50 requires a lot more skill to put it on and stop it in order to exit Taxiway C than does an Airbus. Nonetheless, not surprising every now and then.
10-12-2007, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Ellen
For those of you who don't fly into ORD, 22R is typically a LAHSO runway, and due to the 2 1/2 mile spacing ORD gets, Tower expects aircraft to exit at Taxiway C, which doesn't leave much room to land and stop. Most pilots I know typically duck the glideslope right near the end of this approach and come in on the slow side of Vref, just so they can make it. An Airbus should be able to make the taxiway, a CRJ 50 requires a lot more skill to put it on and stop it in order to exit Taxiway C than does an Airbus. Nonetheless, not surprising every now and then.
The CRJ200 (50 seat) might have higher ref speeds than other aircraft, but trust me... 5400' is more than sufficient runway to land in (and come to a COMPLETE stop). I've personally flown one into a 4500' runway. And basic numbers for max landing weight require 4900' available in ORD.
10-12-2007, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Ellen
Ouch!
For those of you who don't fly into ORD, 22R is typically a LAHSO runway, and due to the 2 1/2 mile spacing ORD gets, Tower expects aircraft to exit at Taxiway C, which doesn't leave much room to land and stop. Most pilots I know typically duck the glideslope right near the end of this approach and come in on the slow side of Vref, just so they can make it. An Airbus should be able to make the taxiway, a CRJ 50 requires a lot more skill to put it on and stop it in order to exit Taxiway C than does an Airbus. Nonetheless, not surprising every now and then.
For those of you who don't fly into ORD, 22R is typically a LAHSO runway, and due to the 2 1/2 mile spacing ORD gets, Tower expects aircraft to exit at Taxiway C, which doesn't leave much room to land and stop. Most pilots I know typically duck the glideslope right near the end of this approach and come in on the slow side of Vref, just so they can make it. An Airbus should be able to make the taxiway, a CRJ 50 requires a lot more skill to put it on and stop it in order to exit Taxiway C than does an Airbus. Nonetheless, not surprising every now and then.
10-12-2007, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Ellen
Ouch!
For those of you who don't fly into ORD, 22R is typically a LAHSO runway, and due to the 2 1/2 mile spacing ORD gets, Tower expects aircraft to exit at Taxiway C, which doesn't leave much room to land and stop. Most pilots I know typically duck the glideslope right near the end of this approach and come in on the slow side of Vref, just so they can make it. An Airbus should be able to make the taxiway, a CRJ 50 requires a lot more skill to put it on and stop it in order to exit Taxiway C than does an Airbus. Nonetheless, not surprising every now and then.
For those of you who don't fly into ORD, 22R is typically a LAHSO runway, and due to the 2 1/2 mile spacing ORD gets, Tower expects aircraft to exit at Taxiway C, which doesn't leave much room to land and stop. Most pilots I know typically duck the glideslope right near the end of this approach and come in on the slow side of Vref, just so they can make it. An Airbus should be able to make the taxiway, a CRJ 50 requires a lot more skill to put it on and stop it in order to exit Taxiway C than does an Airbus. Nonetheless, not surprising every now and then.
I've been into ORD many, many times, and landed on 22R making the turn to "C" without much effort. (I will admit there were a couple times where I may have exercised the brakes a bit, but that was an exception to the rule).
If you can't SAFELY make an approach and landing on a runway, don't do it.
You don't have to accept a LAHSO clearance from ATC. Sure ORD approach will **** and moan, but it's hard to have a runway excursion from the radar room.
If you fly your calculated target airspeed and touchdown about Vref, you are well within the calculated performance limits, turning off at Chuck for the North port shouldn't be an issue...
I don't see why a CRJ would take "more effort" than an Airbus to make it...you are trained to ATP std's on both A/C prior to flying it. Sure the Vref's higher, but I've seen a CRJ 50 and 70, and 727s and 737s in EYW. 4801 ft
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