The sources I have seen show a much closer casm gap. I have a trip starting tomorrow, so I will have to dig them up when I get back.

The other thing is the Legacies cost will ALWAYS be slightly higher than SWA. That's common sense. The figures I see are in the 9-11 range, not 14. At any rate, I have to get ready for work. Take care.

Tom

This a good website for all the numbers you seek.

http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/default.html

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(DAL)

Delta's mainline unit cost (CASM) of 10.13 cents for the third quarter of 2007 represented a slight decrease compared to the third quarter of 2006(4). Excluding expenses from profit sharing, mainline non-fuel CASM was 6.50 cents, a decline of nearly 3%.
http://biz.yahoo.com/pz/071016/128735.html



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(UAL)
Mainline cost per available seat miles or CASM increased 1.3% to 11.28 cents from 11.13 cents in the previous-year quarter. Mainline operating cost per available seat mile or CASM excluding fuel and special items increased 5.8% to 7.71 cents from 7.29 cents in the year-ago period.
http://www.quote.com/qc/news/story.a..._10232007_2882



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(AMR)
AMR Consolidated Cost per ASM
Actual Forecast
Apr May Jun 2Q07 2007
AMR Cost per ASM 1/ 11.65 11.57 12.06 11.76 11.76
AMR Cost per ASM (ex-
fuel) 2/ 8.17 7.96 8.34 8.16 8.19


American Mainline Cost per ASM
Actual Forecast
Apr May Jun 2Q07 2007
AA Cost per ASM 1/ 11.03 10.93 11.45 11.14 11.14
AA Cost per ASM (ex-fuel)2/ 7.65 7.44 7.83 7.64 7.67

Note: The increase in ex-fuel CASM versus prior guidance is mostly
attributable to reduced capacity associated with weather related
cancellations April 1 through June 20. During this period,
American Airlines cancelled 1.8 percent of 2Q07's expected
departures due to weather.
http://www.secinfo.com/d4Dc.u1v.htm

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Three months ended Sept.


(LCC)
Cost per available
seat mile (f) 11.11 11.40 (2.6 )
http://biz.yahoo.com/e/071025/lcc10-q.html

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That's it for now, gents. I really do have to get some rest. Take care all.

Tom

He stated that domestic CASM was around 14. Are you looking at domestic CASM for the legacies, or overall CASM?

Gutted, maybe, they are all still need to be managed, they be managed right back into bankruptcy.

I have no dog in this fight. SWA is not really on my short list of future employers. But I really admire how they operate. Low CASM, product that is equal to or better than most legacies, simple ticket purchasing, motivated staff at all levels.

The other majors need to look no further than SWA to figure out how to do it.

SWA has figured out that you can lead employees where you want them to go. You cannot push them to go where they don't want to go. You can lead a bunch of cats. But try herding them.

SWA gets it. The other majors don't really get it.

I think SWA pd something like 50mil to ATA and secured some gates in the process. Don't trust me on that number though...According to the company, the investment has already been recouped. According to some articles linked on this message board, the code share has been one of the few things making money at ATA.

Go to Southwest.com and look at the advance fares from SFO to LAX. $39. It's not hard to find $49 advance fares to many other locations.

Futurman, You are correct, thanks for actually reading what I typed. This was a domestic CASM comparison report. It was presented to our union for our current contract negotiations so it could compare apples to apples, nothing more. The only reason for posting was to counter the "match the cost structure of SWA" statement.

last i heard ATA was going back to NON SCHED. ops only again. and putting the gates in LGA and DCA on the market again. any ATA kids care to conferm????

Looks like airtran got the gates...check their quarterly report