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Old 11-13-2007 | 12:58 PM
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I believe, when my Grandpa did things for TWA that were other than line duty (Manage pilot training, acceptance flight and develop training for DC-9, manage Saudi Arabian Airlines) he was paid "top line pay" - or what the most senior Captain on the biggest airplane made, plus some other incentives. He only did this in bits - the Saudi thing was two years, the Training center was 2 or 3. After his last non-line position, he went back to flying the line - mostly domestic on the DC-9 because he njoyed the airplane and slept at home most nights. I think the money he made in the non-traditional roles helped him by not giving him the need to continually bid larger equipment in out of town bases (NYC, LA).

As a follow up - any old TWA guys know what the deal with Saudi Arabian Airlines was? Seems like a lot of old mechanics and others did at least some time there.
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Old 11-13-2007 | 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ChickenFlight
Just as a point of clarification...

I commute often on 3 different legacy carriers and it seems to me that there is a big difference in the pilots' opinions of base chief pilots and the actual "Chief Pilot" (the one my company refers to as VP of Flight). It seems to me that there is universal loathing of the true chief (esp. at AA) while most seem to at least tolerate the base chief.

Just an observation, I admit my observations are by no means scientific
Seems to me in large "top down" organizations like AMR, every department needs a VP. Like CF mentions in his post, our CP shares the VP title as well. Interestingly, the post holds little responsibility regarding the actual running of the AAL flight department. The equivalent position of DO, which probably holds the most relevant description of what a VP of flight responsibilities should be, is about 2 or 3 rungs down the latter. In fact, the VP of flight is just figure head, in charge of "keeping the pilots in line".

Back to the original question: an assistant chief at a local base at AAL starts at about $8250.00 every two weeks, I'm sure it only goes up from there.
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Old 11-13-2007 | 09:16 PM
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That's a nice chunk of change...
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Old 11-13-2007 | 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by captjns
Two types of chief pilots...

1. one with balls to stick up for his/her group; and the other
The types that unfortunately don't stick around long.

Originally Posted by captjns
2. one with no balls who will preach and enforce management's mantra and throw his/her brood under the bus to protect their job.
The types that unfortunately, stick around too long
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Old 11-14-2007 | 02:48 AM
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We have a Miami Chief Pilot that sent out a message this year that he is a "Level Eight Cheif Pilot and that is the same as a Full Bird Colonel"

Care to guess what I think of this Bozo the clown?
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Old 11-14-2007 | 04:17 AM
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Originally Posted by 7576FO
We have a Miami Chief Pilot that sent out a message this year that he is a "Level Eight Cheif Pilot and that is the same as a Full Bird Colonel"

Care to guess what I think of this Bozo the clown?

probably the same thing I used to think about a full bird colonel.
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Old 11-14-2007 | 04:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Dog Breath
Changing the way you spell a word to bypass the profanity filter is not acceptable here. If you can't say it without using profanity, don't say it all.
Of course, it's hard not to use profanity when discussing certain CP's!
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Old 11-14-2007 | 10:03 AM
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Chief pilots are in the same bag as LCAs. That is, when someone is lobbying for the job or really wants it, that is exactly the kind of guy you don't want as a CP or LCA. It's the guys that are asked and kind of think about it and finally relent and say, "maybe I can do some good or something." Of course they never really can. But if they take the koolaid antedote, they may make it, for a year.
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Old 11-16-2007 | 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Xray678
probably the same thing I used to think about a full bird colonel.
LOL...That was the best comeback I've seen in a long time.
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