777 service out of KRDU
11-15-2007, 02:21 PM
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I can't verify the validity, but I was told the RDU-LGW flight was part of some deal dating back to when RDU was a hub for AA. I was told that AA agreed to keep a certain level of service, including the RDU-LGW flight, in exchange for terminal improvements and tax advantages. The city wanted to keep a certain level of service which included a European destination to attract more business to the area (mostly for the Research Triangle).
As a side note, I remember taking a DC-10 from DFW to RDU and then hopping on a Shorts up to RIC. Times have changed around there.
As a side note, I remember taking a DC-10 from DFW to RDU and then hopping on a Shorts up to RIC. Times have changed around there.
11-15-2007, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by JungleBus
A buddy of mine was in RDU the other day and asked the gate agents about it. Apparently that day it went out with 2...yes TWO...passengers in coach. And a full first/business class. It'd be a jumpseater's dream *if* AA let more than a privileged few jumpseat internationally! They're the only majors with an exclusive international list now. Maybe some day they'll decide to stop being such SkynAAzis and join the rest of the industry...
11-15-2007, 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by dn_wisconsin
i dont know if this applies but i one of my teachers in college was a retired AA guy, he said RDU used to have a 767 direct to Paris to fly horse meat, its a delicacy over there i guess, so maybe in England too, can anyone confirm?
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11-16-2007, 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by 7576FO
I'm an American pilot. I just looked at the AA int'l j/s list. Are you sure the other major airlines allow all regional airlines unlimited access to the j/s int'l ??
I'll make a few phone calls to UAL pilots and report back.
I'll make a few phone calls to UAL pilots and report back.
11-16-2007, 12:39 PM
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7576FO--
Sorry for the somewhat intemperate tone of my post, as AA pilots are not responsible for the policy - AA management is. They are now the sole holdouts on this, as well as the pointless "only as many jumpseaters as there are installed jumpseats regardless of number of open cabin seats" rule. You can consider my SkynAAzi comment to be directed towards them...I understand AA line pilots also have pet names for their management.
I understand that jumpseating is a privilege and not a right, but it is a mutually negotiated privilege based on reciprocity. When carrier A will take carrier B's pilots anywhere they go but carrier B won't take carrier A's pilots to certain destinations, reciprocity does not exist in my opinion.
Sorry for the somewhat intemperate tone of my post, as AA pilots are not responsible for the policy - AA management is. They are now the sole holdouts on this, as well as the pointless "only as many jumpseaters as there are installed jumpseats regardless of number of open cabin seats" rule. You can consider my SkynAAzi comment to be directed towards them...I understand AA line pilots also have pet names for their management
.I understand that jumpseating is a privilege and not a right, but it is a mutually negotiated privilege based on reciprocity. When carrier A will take carrier B's pilots anywhere they go but carrier B won't take carrier A's pilots to certain destinations, reciprocity does not exist in my opinion.
11-16-2007, 01:15 PM
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That's AAL 174. I've worked that flight out of RDU for a long, long time. Wish there were more 767's to work. Heck, wish there were more Boeings to work. At least I could count on some consistency in terms of climb rate / airspeed performance.
We loved working the RDU traffic when AAL hubbed out of there - it really rocked when the pushes came! Now, it's just a constant trickle of a dozen different types of jets; not nearly as much of a challenge
Mark ZDC
We loved working the RDU traffic when AAL hubbed out of there - it really rocked when the pushes came! Now, it's just a constant trickle of a dozen different types of jets; not nearly as much of a challenge
Mark ZDC
11-16-2007, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by dn_wisconsin
i dont know if this applies but i one of my teachers in college was a retired AA guy, he said RDU used to have a 767 direct to Paris to fly horse meat, its a delicacy over there i guess, so maybe in England too, can anyone confirm?
11-17-2007, 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by dojetdriver
YES, other majors/legacys allow us little regional airline pilots to use the JS int'l. Goes without saying, it's cabin only. I know, the agony, the horror of letting a lowly regional guy JS on one of YOUR aircraft to Europe, South America, the Orient, wherever is considered int'l per your policy.
For a while, it was you and CAL, now I believe, it's just you guys with that screwed up policy. I know, I know, it's that mentality that since a regional airline can't take one of your pilots to an int'l destination, you guys won't carry a regional pilot to an int'l destination.
When I was based in LGA we had a lot of AA commuters from CHS. AA/AE had no service between CHS and LGA at the time. It was always a joke to tell them, "Since I can't ride on your airline from JFK to LHR because we don't serve that market, why should we let you ride from CHS to LGA since you don't serve this market?"
Calm down, it's a joke, we ALWAYS let them ride. It was amazing how many AA pilots didn't even know that though.
For a while, it was you and CAL, now I believe, it's just you guys with that screwed up policy. I know, I know, it's that mentality that since a regional airline can't take one of your pilots to an int'l destination, you guys won't carry a regional pilot to an int'l destination.
When I was based in LGA we had a lot of AA commuters from CHS. AA/AE had no service between CHS and LGA at the time. It was always a joke to tell them, "Since I can't ride on your airline from JFK to LHR because we don't serve that market, why should we let you ride from CHS to LGA since you don't serve this market?"
Calm down, it's a joke, we ALWAYS let them ride. It was amazing how many AA pilots didn't even know that though.
Our Flight Management Team (including the bumbling Hetterman) decide who will get recipricol and INt'l jumpseats. The APA and line pilots have little say. (It is amazing how few pilots understand that)
I am sure most pilots would welcome you and everyone else on the It'l Jumpseat if they COULD.
Right now we are in Sec 6, and EVERYTHING comes with a price.
Thanks for flying our pilots home, and for your sense of humour.
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11-17-2007, 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by JungleBus
7576FO--
Sorry for the somewhat intemperate tone of my post, as AA pilots are not responsible for the policy - AA management is. They are now the sole holdouts on this, as well as the pointless "only as many jumpseaters as there are installed jumpseats regardless of number of open cabin seats" rule. You can consider my SkynAAzi comment to be directed towards them...I understand AA line pilots also have pet names for their management.
I understand that jumpseating is a privilege and not a right, but it is a mutually negotiated privilege based on reciprocity. When carrier A will take carrier B's pilots anywhere they go but carrier B won't take carrier A's pilots to certain destinations, reciprocity does not exist in my opinion.
Sorry for the somewhat intemperate tone of my post, as AA pilots are not responsible for the policy - AA management is. They are now the sole holdouts on this, as well as the pointless "only as many jumpseaters as there are installed jumpseats regardless of number of open cabin seats" rule. You can consider my SkynAAzi comment to be directed towards them...I understand AA line pilots also have pet names for their management
.I understand that jumpseating is a privilege and not a right, but it is a mutually negotiated privilege based on reciprocity. When carrier A will take carrier B's pilots anywhere they go but carrier B won't take carrier A's pilots to certain destinations, reciprocity does not exist in my opinion.
Yes, you are correct, and for many years we took DAL pilots on the JS who could not return the favor, knowing it would change in the future. Hopefully others will realize we will try to change our policy in the future (up to the management in the end). There is being "reciprocal" and being "professional". Thanks for your continued JS.
Hope to see you on the It'l side soon. I can't say some of pet names we have for AA management, they have eyes and ears everywhere.
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11-17-2007, 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by AAflyer
Try to lighten up a little.
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