Airline Rankings--Your Thoughts
12-02-2007, 09:10 PM
#13
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Originally Posted by Tomct
I am a new hire at JBLU and LOVING IT! The leaders of this company are VERY IMPRESSIVE! I know that a lot of people want to work for the Legacy Carriers, but with merger's on the horizon....could be very scary. If that were the case, I have a lot of friends that would be furloughed...NOT GOOD for them. I truly believe in our mgmnt group and like the direction that we are going. Time will tell, but all I can say is Good Luck everyone! We are going to need it! ;P
12-02-2007, 09:13 PM
#14
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Why would American be #1 ???
I worked for them for two 1/2 years and am currently furloughed from there. There is, in my humblest of opinions, an undertow of mistrust between the employees and the top level executives with specificity to their bonuses and the lack of sharing these rewards with the rank and file.
American Airlines and the APA are currently in contract talks. I have never worked at an airline that had contract talks that did not involve labor chaos and management brinksmanship. And yes, I hope the APA is successful at nego.-ed an industry-leading contract.
Finally, as a former TWA pilot, there are issues between the returning TWA furloughees and the current union on the property, the APA. Without turning this into a mudslinging event, I think it is a fair statement that there is some bitterness among the TWA furloughees (as many as 1890 of them) as they return to service at American. Point being, I can't see how this could be the #1 place to work, versus SWA, CAL, DAL, etc.
I'm not trying to pick AA fight, just trying to provide opinions/fAActs as to why AA might not be in the #1 spot.
My two cents worth...your conversation table may have something different.
Second, pre-9/11, SWA was a good gig and under the leadership of Bethune, CAL was an improving airline (mid 90's era).
I worked for them for two 1/2 years and am currently furloughed from there. There is, in my humblest of opinions, an undertow of mistrust between the employees and the top level executives with specificity to their bonuses and the lack of sharing these rewards with the rank and file.
American Airlines and the APA are currently in contract talks. I have never worked at an airline that had contract talks that did not involve labor chaos and management brinksmanship. And yes, I hope the APA is successful at nego.-ed an industry-leading contract.
Finally, as a former TWA pilot, there are issues between the returning TWA furloughees and the current union on the property, the APA. Without turning this into a mudslinging event, I think it is a fair statement that there is some bitterness among the TWA furloughees (as many as 1890 of them) as they return to service at American. Point being, I can't see how this could be the #1 place to work, versus SWA, CAL, DAL, etc.
I'm not trying to pick AA fight, just trying to provide opinions/fAActs as to why AA might not be in the #1 spot.
My two cents worth...your conversation table may have something different.
Second, pre-9/11, SWA was a good gig and under the leadership of Bethune, CAL was an improving airline (mid 90's era).
12-02-2007, 09:16 PM
#15
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Originally Posted by seaav8tor
Based on long term paycheck stability:
1. FedEX
2. UPS
3. vacant
4. vacant
5. vacant
6. vacant
7. vacant
8. vacant
9. vacant
10. ...............................................
1. FedEX
2. UPS
3. vacant
4. vacant
5. vacant
6. vacant
7. vacant
8. vacant
9. vacant
10. ...............................................
I'd like to revise it a tad...
1. UPS
2. FedEx
3. Vacant
4. Delta/Continental/SWA
5. United/NWA
6. AirTran
7. Jetblue
...
Of course I'm biased here
C'mon folks do you really mean that FedEx and UPS wouldn't even rank among the top 10 airlines? Unless you just wanted to compare pax airlines only...
Then...
1. Vacant
2. Vacant
3. Vacant
4. Delta/Continental/SWA
5. United/NWA
6. AirTran
7. Jetblue
...
Last edited by ⌐ AV8OR WANNABE; 12-02-2007 at 09:28 PM.
12-02-2007, 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Tomct
but with merger's on the horizon....could be very scary. If that were the case, I have a lot of friends that would be furloughed...
12-02-2007, 09:35 PM
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airline:
Pronunciation: \-ˌlīn\
Function: noun
Date: 1901
: an air transportation system including its equipment, routes, operating personnel, and management
Seems to me FedEx and UPS are a form of air transportation. FedEx and UPS would be at the top then. Don't understand why you have JetBlue in there though.
Pronunciation: \-ˌlīn\
Function: noun
Date: 1901
: an air transportation system including its equipment, routes, operating personnel, and management
Seems to me FedEx and UPS are a form of air transportation. FedEx and UPS would be at the top then. Don't understand why you have JetBlue in there though.
12-02-2007, 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by SAABaroowski
who in a million years pre-9/11 would ever put SWA/CAL top 2, boy have times changed......................
Southwest. Always made money with great people all around in all jobs.
Continental. After the bankruptcies, Bethune did a great job with Boeing get the aircraft fleets streamlined and new. Strong international presence (profits)
Many looked at airlines like a business (who is running a sustainable business model) Southwest and Continental actually did have prior to 9-11.
My top two were either Fedex or UPS. 3 and 4 were Southwest and Continental. I ended up with a seniority flow through # at CO and a freight dog job. Today, I still stick with the same rankings. The rest of the legacies are more difficult to discern management business long term strategy in a merger atmosphere. But from a pilot point of view, the cockpit folks are great at all of them based on having buds in every cockpit across the industry.
12-03-2007, 04:26 AM
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Originally Posted by SaltyDog
I did Saab, (1990's). Why? Longevity potential.
Southwest. Always made money with great people all around in all jobs.
Continental. After the bankruptcies, Bethune did a great job with Boeing get the aircraft fleets streamlined and new. Strong international presence (profits)
Many looked at airlines like a business (who is running a sustainable business model) Southwest and Continental actually did have prior to 9-11.
My top two were either Fedex or UPS. 3 and 4 were Southwest and Continental. I ended up with a seniority flow through # at CO and a freight dog job. Today, I still stick with the same rankings. The rest of the legacies are more difficult to discern management business long term strategy in a merger atmosphere. But from a pilot point of view, the cockpit folks are great at all of them based on having buds in every cockpit across the industry.
Southwest. Always made money with great people all around in all jobs.
Continental. After the bankruptcies, Bethune did a great job with Boeing get the aircraft fleets streamlined and new. Strong international presence (profits)
Many looked at airlines like a business (who is running a sustainable business model) Southwest and Continental actually did have prior to 9-11.
My top two were either Fedex or UPS. 3 and 4 were Southwest and Continental. I ended up with a seniority flow through # at CO and a freight dog job. Today, I still stick with the same rankings. The rest of the legacies are more difficult to discern management business long term strategy in a merger atmosphere. But from a pilot point of view, the cockpit folks are great at all of them based on having buds in every cockpit across the industry.
12-03-2007, 04:57 AM
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It really depends on what someone wants to do. If you want to stay domestic, then SW, AT, Fronier, JB, or Alaska may be the place for someone. Me, I wanted to go international (Europe and Asia), so those airlines were not a player.
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