Need clarification on 30 hours in 7 day rule
12-12-2007, 03:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Window_Seat
On the begining of the 7th day, if you're scheduled block for that day will take you over 30 in the last 7, you can not do that trip on the 7th day.
This statement is the key one of the thread. If you are scheduled not to exceed 30 at the beginning of the day you are good, regardless of how the block works out. (Legal to start- legal to finish.)
HOWEVER- should your schedule change during the course of the day (from the original pairing) it needs to be changed so that you do not exceed 30 hrs by the end of the day (In other words you are now "starting over" with a new schedule, so all previous block must be considered.)
05-14-2012, 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by TheBaron
Not to beat a dead horse but....whack!
§ 121.471 Flight time limitations and rest requirements: All flight crewmembers.
(a) No certificate holder conducting domestic operations may schedule any flight crewmember and no flight crewmember may accept an assignment for flight time in scheduled air transportation or in other commercial flying if that crewmember's total flight time in all commercial flying will exceed—
(1) 1,000 hours in any calendar year;
(2) 100 hours in any calendar month;
(3) 30 hours in any 7 consecutive days;
(4) 8 hours between required rest periods.
Rolling and scheduled being the key. From the faa.gov site.
Different for the flag carriers.
§ 121.471 Flight time limitations and rest requirements: All flight crewmembers.
(a) No certificate holder conducting domestic operations may schedule any flight crewmember and no flight crewmember may accept an assignment for flight time in scheduled air transportation or in other commercial flying if that crewmember's total flight time in all commercial flying will exceed—
(1) 1,000 hours in any calendar year;
(2) 100 hours in any calendar month;
(3) 30 hours in any 7 consecutive days;
(4) 8 hours between required rest periods.
Rolling and scheduled being the key. From the faa.gov site.
Different for the flag carriers.
(a) No certificate holder conducting domestic operations may schedule any flight crewmember and no flight crewmember may accept an assignment for flight time in scheduled air transportation or in other commercial flying if that crewmember's total flight time in all commercial flying will exceed--
(1) 1,000 hours in any calendar year;
(2) 100 hours in any calendar month;
(3) 30 hours in any 7 consecutive days;
(4) 8 hours between required rest periods.
(b) Except as provided in paragraph (c) of this section, no certificate holder conducting domestic operations may schedule a flight crewmember and no flight crewmember may accept an assignment for flight time during the 24 consecutive hours preceding the scheduled completion of any flight segment without a scheduled rest period during that 24 hours of at least the following:
(1) 9 consecutive hours of rest for less than 8 hours of scheduled flight time.
(2) 10 consecutive hours of rest for 8 or more but less than 9 hours of scheduled flight time.
(3) 11 consecutive hours of rest for 9 or more hours of scheduled flight time.
(c) A certificate holder may schedule a flight crewmember for less than the rest required in paragraph (b) of this section or may reduce a scheduled rest under the following conditions:
(1) A rest required under paragraph (b)(1) of this section may be scheduled for or reduced to a minimum of 8 hours if the flight crewmember is given a rest period of at least 10 hours that must begin no later than 24 hours after the commencement of the reduced rest period.
(2) A rest required under paragraph (b)(2) of this section may be scheduled for or reduced to a minimum of 8 hours if the flight crewmember is given a rest period of at least 11 hours that must begin no later than 24 hours after the commencement of the reduced rest period.
(3) A rest required under paragraph (b)(3) of this section may be scheduled for or reduced to a minimum of 9 hours if the flight crewmember is given a rest period of at least 12 hours that must begin no later than 24 hours after the commencement of the reduced rest period.
(4) No certificate holder may assign, nor may any flight crewmember perform any flight time with the certificate holder unless the flight crewmember has had at least the minimum rest required under this paragraph.
(d) Each certificate holder conducting domestic operations shall relieve each flight crewmember engaged in scheduled air transportation from all further duty for at least 24 consecutive hours during any 7 consecutive days.
(e) No certificate holder conducting domestic operations may assign any flight crewmember and no flight crewmember may accept assignment to any duty with the certificate holder during any required rest period.
(f) Time spent in transportation, not local in character, that a certificate holder requires of a flight crewmember and provides to transport the crewmember to an airport at which he is to serve on a flight as a crewmember, or from an airport at which he was relieved from duty to return to his home station, is not considered part of a rest period.
(g) A flight crewmember is not considered to be scheduled for flight time in excess of flight time limitations if the flights to which he is assigned are scheduled and normally terminate within the limitations, but due to circumstances beyond the control of the certificate holder (such as adverse
weather conditions), are not at the time of departure expected to reach their destination within the scheduled time.
(1) 1,000 hours in any calendar year;
(2) 100 hours in any calendar month;
(3) 30 hours in any 7 consecutive days;
(4) 8 hours between required rest periods.
(b) Except as provided in paragraph (c) of this section, no certificate holder conducting domestic operations may schedule a flight crewmember and no flight crewmember may accept an assignment for flight time during the 24 consecutive hours preceding the scheduled completion of any flight segment without a scheduled rest period during that 24 hours of at least the following:
(1) 9 consecutive hours of rest for less than 8 hours of scheduled flight time.
(2) 10 consecutive hours of rest for 8 or more but less than 9 hours of scheduled flight time.
(3) 11 consecutive hours of rest for 9 or more hours of scheduled flight time.
(c) A certificate holder may schedule a flight crewmember for less than the rest required in paragraph (b) of this section or may reduce a scheduled rest under the following conditions:
(1) A rest required under paragraph (b)(1) of this section may be scheduled for or reduced to a minimum of 8 hours if the flight crewmember is given a rest period of at least 10 hours that must begin no later than 24 hours after the commencement of the reduced rest period.
(2) A rest required under paragraph (b)(2) of this section may be scheduled for or reduced to a minimum of 8 hours if the flight crewmember is given a rest period of at least 11 hours that must begin no later than 24 hours after the commencement of the reduced rest period.
(3) A rest required under paragraph (b)(3) of this section may be scheduled for or reduced to a minimum of 9 hours if the flight crewmember is given a rest period of at least 12 hours that must begin no later than 24 hours after the commencement of the reduced rest period.
(4) No certificate holder may assign, nor may any flight crewmember perform any flight time with the certificate holder unless the flight crewmember has had at least the minimum rest required under this paragraph.
(d) Each certificate holder conducting domestic operations shall relieve each flight crewmember engaged in scheduled air transportation from all further duty for at least 24 consecutive hours during any 7 consecutive days.
(e) No certificate holder conducting domestic operations may assign any flight crewmember and no flight crewmember may accept assignment to any duty with the certificate holder during any required rest period.
(f) Time spent in transportation, not local in character, that a certificate holder requires of a flight crewmember and provides to transport the crewmember to an airport at which he is to serve on a flight as a crewmember, or from an airport at which he was relieved from duty to return to his home station, is not considered part of a rest period.
(g) A flight crewmember is not considered to be scheduled for flight time in excess of flight time limitations if the flights to which he is assigned are scheduled and normally terminate within the limitations, but due to circumstances beyond the control of the certificate holder (such as adverse
weather conditions), are not at the time of departure expected to reach their destination within the scheduled time.
The first paragraph should apply for the first 4 items, not just one.
05-14-2012, 09:43 AM
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Netflix ****ed me off when they doubled their prices. Now i just sit in a hotel room and either stare out the window watching the interstate or walk down to the awful waffle and get brunch. Ahhh the glamor....
05-14-2012, 11:26 AM
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Well that will show them! They admitted their mistake and apologized. Can't say the same about most corporations these days.
I don't think $9/mo for unlimited streaming movies and television shows is too much. Been hitting the classic TV shows lately. There's literally hundreds of hours of Cheers, Rockford Files, etc.
I don't think $9/mo for unlimited streaming movies and television shows is too much. Been hitting the classic TV shows lately. There's literally hundreds of hours of Cheers, Rockford Files, etc.
05-14-2012, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by JungleBus
The 30 in 7 limitation is based on scheduled block. If you go over it's no big deal so long as your schedule is the same as the original. That's the critical part...if you are rescheduled at all you need to take another look because then the actual time flown so far plus the scheduled block remaining must not exceed the FAR limitations.
05-14-2012, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by TheBaron
Not to beat a dead horse but....whack!
§ 121.471 Flight time limitations and rest requirements: All flight crewmembers.
(a) No certificate holder conducting domestic operations may schedule any flight crewmember and no flight crewmember may accept an assignment for flight time in scheduled air transportation or in other commercial flying if that crewmember's total flight time in all commercial flying will exceed—
(1) 1,000 hours in any calendar year;
(2) 100 hours in any calendar month;
(3) 30 hours in any 7 consecutive days;
(4) 8 hours between required rest periods.
Rolling and scheduled being the key. From the faa.gov site.
Different for the flag carriers.
§ 121.471 Flight time limitations and rest requirements: All flight crewmembers.
(a) No certificate holder conducting domestic operations may schedule any flight crewmember and no flight crewmember may accept an assignment for flight time in scheduled air transportation or in other commercial flying if that crewmember's total flight time in all commercial flying will exceed—
(1) 1,000 hours in any calendar year;
(2) 100 hours in any calendar month;
(3) 30 hours in any 7 consecutive days;
(4) 8 hours between required rest periods.
Rolling and scheduled being the key. From the faa.gov site.
Different for the flag carriers.
30 in 7 is as much of a "look back" as it is a "look forward." Before accepting that last day, you much make sure the schedule doesn't take you over 30 hours, i.e. look back plus look forward. If it doesn't you're good. If, after you start, due to delays, it takes you over, you're still legal. The company cannot reschedule you on that last day, however, if it takes you over 30. This includes any and all flying for compensation no matter what part you operate under or for multiple companies.
05-14-2012, 04:30 PM
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Right: Say you are on a 4 day with 20 legs. (yes we do those). And it looks like you are going to be over 30hrs by the last leg. I don't believe you can do it if it would take you over the 30.
Says in paragraph (G).
Says in paragraph (G).
(g) A flight crewmember is not considered to be scheduled for flight time in excess of flight time limitations if the flights to which he is assigned are scheduled and normally terminate within the limitations, but due to circumstances beyond the control of the certificate holder (such as adverse
weather conditions), are not at the time of departure expected to reach their destination within the scheduled time.
weather conditions), are not at the time of departure expected to reach their destination within the scheduled time.
05-14-2012, 07:13 PM
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The following is a link to an FAA legal interpretation on the subject -
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...1992/Reich.rtf
Hope this helps.
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...1992/Reich.rtf
Hope this helps.
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