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Old 12-11-2007, 09:24 PM   #1  
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Default Need clarification on 30 hours in 7 day rule

I need a little explanation of the 30 in 7 rule, is this legal
I am an FO for a Major Domestic Airline

Trip 1
Monday 4:37
Tuesday 3:10
Wednesday 7:39

Mon-Wed 15:26

Thursday -Day Off

Trip 2
Friday 7:56
Sat 6:38

Fri-Sat 14:34


This is Scheduled exactly 30 hours in six days with ONE DAY OFF in between trips. IF I go a minute over before I start the last leg am I legal?

Does my 30 in 7 clock start over if I have a day off between trips?

Sorry for the question but I need clarity.

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Old 12-11-2007, 09:30 PM   #2  
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I think the key is "Scheduled", the company is getting their money's worth on paper. Like you say, if you have a hick-up in the schedule, then they'll have to repair your schedule (DH on a leg is an easy way to do it).

What does your does your contract say?
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Old 12-11-2007, 09:39 PM   #3  
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Our scheduling system is supposed to catch this with a 28.5 hour buffer.
This happened as the result of a computer trade. If it is illegal or goes over a 28.5 hour buffer it is not supposed to allow the trade. So by my contract this is legal. That said I want to get home on the 25th. So since I am going to places like MKE and BOS in the winter the odd over me going over are pretty high.
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I am not worried bout getting paid because I have pay protection, or the legality by the contract, I am worried about exceeding the FAA mins.
Does my clock reset as a result of having a day off between trips?
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I am not worried bout getting paid because I have pay protection, or the legality by the contract, I am worried about exceeding the FAA mins.
Does my clock reset as a result of having a day off between trips?
I haven't dealt with a 30/7 problem myself for some time, but I believe it's a moving window looking back over the previous 7 days. A day off in the look back has no effect or reset.
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The 30 in 7 limitation is based on scheduled block. If you go over it's no big deal so long as your schedule is the same as the original. That's the critical part...if you are rescheduled at all you need to take another look because then the actual time flown so far plus the scheduled block remaining must not exceed the FAR limitations.
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On the begining of the 7th day, if you're scheduled block for that day will take you over 30 in the last 7, you can not do that trip on the 7th day.
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Legal to start, legal to finish.
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It is a sliding window. If you are legal to start the day as published you can finish except something goes different. For example, if you divert and add an additional flight, and the change puts you over, you can not fly it. DH is usually the way they fix it.
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Not to beat a dead horse but....whack!

§ 121.471 Flight time limitations and rest requirements: All flight crewmembers.

(a) No certificate holder conducting domestic operations may schedule any flight crewmember and no flight crewmember may accept an assignment for flight time in scheduled air transportation or in other commercial flying if that crewmember's total flight time in all commercial flying will exceed—

(1) 1,000 hours in any calendar year;

(2) 100 hours in any calendar month;

(3) 30 hours in any 7 consecutive days;

(4) 8 hours between required rest periods.

Rolling and scheduled being the key. From the faa.gov site.
Different for the flag carriers.
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