Do the CEO's, CFO's, etc... make less then they did back in 2000?:confused:

Breckster, you are on the right track. A responsible CEO would keep pay in check. Unfortunately, being a leader isn't a prerequisite for being a CEO these days as you would expect one to lead by example- an idea lost on these CEOs. Wonder why the pilots are asking for the moon.

[quote=Beaver Hunter;308425]Beaver Hunter:

If you had read the original posting by "iahflyr", you would have seen his reference to how things are going to "swing back" and conditions and compensation improve. The United Airlines Contract 2000 was specifically referenced and an inference made that was the acceptable baseline. My reply was simply to state, as OKLATEX did so tactfully, that a CEO in today's environment could not get Board approval, stockholder approval or probably lenders approval to sign a similiar contract. It simply will not fly and there isn't any airline out there that could afford it today. United could not afford Contract 2000 at the time of signing although I give Captain Rick Dubinsky all the credit in the world for forcing it on the company and I'm indebted to him for the 2 great years we had.

Lower the bar ? Pleeeze. Whenever you have spent 20+ years fighting with your company for wage increases, fought for better hotels, better trip rigs, duty rigs and per diem and whenever you've walked a picket line while scabs crossed in front of you, then come talk to me. Oh yes, if you would like to spend an additional nine years working for the line pilots through your MEC and 6 years fighting the Washington Beltine political establishment as a member of an ALPA national committee to improve the lot of the last member on your seniority list, then come talk to me.

Lastly, try using spell check on your next post. Your note reads like an elementary school student wrote it with the misspelled words and incorrect grammar.

Hope your day gets better and for the "professional" pilots out there, please excuse the rant. My apologies.

Best of luck to all....I really do hope the industry recovers to pre 9/11 level of flight operations and compensation.

G'Day

P-Flyer

Many thanks for your wisdom

I dunno...300K a year seems to be pretty good to me.

Phantom Flyer,


I find it strange that you wrote "Y'all be careful out there" on another post then criticized Beaver hunter's grammar.

What are you trying to prove?

AL

Back to the original question. In short, YES. As for stable and any carrier (legacy or otherwise) is an oxymoron. It's not just legacies.

As far as a merger combination with UAL, it's looking like CAL is the most likely. Will some overlap be eliminated? Yes. Does it worry me? Yes; I'm close to the bottom of the seniority list; hired in 2000. I could easily end up back on the streets for another 5 years and am planning for it. Changing retirement to 65 does not help.

On the flipside, UAL is undermanned so that they can reduce pilot hours with reductions in block hours. Also, there's not much overlap with CAL so that should limit block hour reductions. Last, a decent chunk of the service reductions can occur in the express partners; they could get hit a lot worse than mainline.

But we're going into a recession, so that's not good for airlines. And this isn't going to be a mellow recession.

I wouldn't turn down UAL because of the possibility of being furloughed; I'd just make sure that I had several backup plans. And make sure that they're not all aviation related. Once you've got your line number with UAL, they'll train you back to standards upon return from furlough, so it's not like you have to stay current. Look at a possible furlough as an opportunity to do things that you've always wanted to do.

Flying airplanes is a great job when things go your way. Even when they're not, it's an OK job. But just like planning for any emergency, make alternate plans should you end up getting furloughed. I was lucky; I had several plans ahead of my sudden furlough - I was out of a job less than 6 months after 911. Fortunately, I was drawing a military paycheck starting the day prior to my furlough.

Good luck to ya.

Once again...good advice, Andy. Thank you. This may sound corny and I'll take a ribbing for sure but UAL is where I always wanted to be and I'm proud to be heading there despite all the issues in our industry. It's hard not to get the jitters when you see the news and as much as we try and put on a brave face it's even harder to ignore the speculation when what you have worked for so long is just over the horizon...

Most of the folks who paid their dues through all the hard times made it back and if they can do it, so can we.

[quote=Phantom Flyer;309158]I appreciate the grammer lesson. One cannot make a point if one is unable to communicate effectively. However, I am not a new guy to this profession. I was once told to be a real airline pilot I had to work for six airlines. Check.
Be in ALPA. Check.
Be Furloughed.Check
Get a divorce. Hope that one I can pass on
Go on Strike. Ready to walk the line.
I have been a Member of ALPA for over 15 years. I have served as a chairman of a committee and assisted in union organizing activities. So please spare me the rant. I have been there and done that.
I would suggest that you funnel your energies into assisting your pilot group in raising the bar. Remember CEOs accross the globe seem to have no problems getting more $$$, no matter how poor their performance might be. As pilots we skillfully operate million dollar machines which carry billions of dollars of liability. Most of us posses a skill that makes the accomplishment of this task appear easy to the untrained. Lets stop giving our services away. We are worth more.

Beaver Hunter