How can I shut him up?
02-14-2008 | 05:57 PM
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Man, this may sound drastic, and I hate to sound so anal, but I would call the chief on this. Simply because you would be held just as responsable for any violation (or worse) which may come from this guy yapping at the wrong time.
On a side note, I am not sure who you fly for. I am just an FO-in-training and have yet to go to sim. But my company spent several hours in indoc hammering this very situation into our heads. I could be completely over reacting here. Just my 2 cents.
On a side note, I am not sure who you fly for. I am just an FO-in-training and have yet to go to sim. But my company spent several hours in indoc hammering this very situation into our heads. I could be completely over reacting here. Just my 2 cents.
02-14-2008 | 06:45 PM
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Man, this may sound drastic, and I hate to sound so anal, but I would call the chief on this. Simply because you would be held just as responsable for any violation (or worse) which may come from this guy yapping at the wrong time.
On a side note, I am not sure who you fly for. I am just an FO-in-training and have yet to go to sim. But my company spent several hours in indoc hammering this very situation into our heads. I could be completely over reacting here. Just my 2 cents.
On a side note, I am not sure who you fly for. I am just an FO-in-training and have yet to go to sim. But my company spent several hours in indoc hammering this very situation into our heads. I could be completely over reacting here. Just my 2 cents.
02-14-2008 | 07:41 PM
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Simply go to your happy place and enjoy it. I finished a 4 day a few weeks ago with a guy like that. You couldn't get a word in edge wise and if I could have slit my wrist with the plastic fork from my lunch I would have. The guy was highly bright but it was a 4 day marathon of free form thought and prose. Finally on return from the west coast I he told a four hour story of how he met his wife. This somehow transitioned to how he took multiple road trips in the Air Force to go cross country, snow ball fights, water balloon fights, his kids are toolbags, and his favorite colors. Somewhere over western TN as the sun was setting I just looked at him and totally forgot myself. I uttered something along the lines of "Biff, I don't know what the F*&$ you're talking about, but you f*&$ing lost me back over the rockies". He just kind of looked at me for a second then continued unabated.
That's why you upgrade when the time comes. I don't ever remember an FO talking my ear off in previous lives. But Captains, you just have to roll with it. Now that being said, down below 10,000 ft. in sterile cockpit, just start asking him after every ATC transmission "Was that for us?". Pretty soon he will be paranoid and stay focused on ATC and stay shut until you park at the gate.
That's why you upgrade when the time comes. I don't ever remember an FO talking my ear off in previous lives. But Captains, you just have to roll with it. Now that being said, down below 10,000 ft. in sterile cockpit, just start asking him after every ATC transmission "Was that for us?". Pretty soon he will be paranoid and stay focused on ATC and stay shut until you park at the gate.
02-14-2008 | 07:53 PM
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Good stuff, I didn't know that the CP was such a bad guy. I wouldn't want the guy to lose his job, I was thinking along the lines of someone other than the FO telling him to shut it. Obviously the wrong way to approach this. Glad this came up.
02-14-2008 | 08:58 PM
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Howdy all,
I fly for a regional but wanted the insight of those with a few more gray hairs. I need advice with a touchy problem: I am flying with a CA who will NOT shut up. He talks continuously (non-flight related) from engine start to shut down. It is to the point I am missing radio calls and getting distracted during critical phases of flight. Ironically, during checklists, the one time I DO want him to speak up, he rifles through them so fast I have don't know when to reply or what I am replying to.
In my 40s, I am no spring chicken and have ten years 135 time; he is in his 30s at his first non CFI job. I have politely and privately asked him to go easy on the chatter when I am flying hoping he would curb the chatter. It worked for the next couple legs, but his old ways soon returned.
On one leg, we were empty and the FA came up to the jump seat to watch. My CA started listening to his iPod. He decided the FA needed to hear a couple songs, so he placed one of the ear buds against his mic. At the time, I was talking to center trying to keep us out of the worst weather and still make some time. Center gave us a choice of long and smooth or short and choppy. Had I been CA, I would have answered immediately, but as I was not PIC, I asked my CA for his preference. After not hearing the reply after two attempts, I yelled "Turn that G.. D... thing OFF!" A few minutes later, he asked me if the iPod really bothered me that much, "Yeah, when I can't hear a D... thing you are saying, it does."
So, I have another long trip with him. I do NOT want this to get hostile nor do I want it to affect my work. So what do you all suggest?
Thanks for the help,
j
I fly for a regional but wanted the insight of those with a few more gray hairs. I need advice with a touchy problem: I am flying with a CA who will NOT shut up. He talks continuously (non-flight related) from engine start to shut down. It is to the point I am missing radio calls and getting distracted during critical phases of flight. Ironically, during checklists, the one time I DO want him to speak up, he rifles through them so fast I have don't know when to reply or what I am replying to.
In my 40s, I am no spring chicken and have ten years 135 time; he is in his 30s at his first non CFI job. I have politely and privately asked him to go easy on the chatter when I am flying hoping he would curb the chatter. It worked for the next couple legs, but his old ways soon returned.
On one leg, we were empty and the FA came up to the jump seat to watch. My CA started listening to his iPod. He decided the FA needed to hear a couple songs, so he placed one of the ear buds against his mic. At the time, I was talking to center trying to keep us out of the worst weather and still make some time. Center gave us a choice of long and smooth or short and choppy. Had I been CA, I would have answered immediately, but as I was not PIC, I asked my CA for his preference. After not hearing the reply after two attempts, I yelled "Turn that G.. D... thing OFF!" A few minutes later, he asked me if the iPod really bothered me that much, "Yeah, when I can't hear a D... thing you are saying, it does."
So, I have another long trip with him. I do NOT want this to get hostile nor do I want it to affect my work. So what do you all suggest?
Thanks for the help,
j
No offense but it sounds like you didn't have the guts to say anything until the iPod incident. That's if you think his actions are that serious and unsafe. You're a grown man. You can work it out with him. Maybe he doesn't think you give a *******. Tell him you're upset and uncomfortable with the way you're operating. I'm sure he'll change his ways while flying with you. If not, increase the base in your voice a little while voicing your displeasure. Like I said, your a grown man. work it out. That will bring quicker results that trying to work it out on APC.
02-14-2008 | 09:01 PM
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Not that I've been flyin for a way long time but in my 12 years of airline flying, I'd feel going to the Chief Pilot would be more of a failure on my part than your CA's. Just man up if someone is that uncomfortable with it. Going to the Chief has to go against one of the Man Laws.
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