How can I shut him up?
#11
Man, this may sound drastic, and I hate to sound so anal, but I would call the chief on this. Simply because you would be held just as responsable for any violation (or worse) which may come from this guy yapping at the wrong time.
On a side note, I am not sure who you fly for. I am just an FO-in-training and have yet to go to sim. But my company spent several hours in indoc hammering this very situation into our heads. I could be completely over reacting here. Just my 2 cents.
On a side note, I am not sure who you fly for. I am just an FO-in-training and have yet to go to sim. But my company spent several hours in indoc hammering this very situation into our heads. I could be completely over reacting here. Just my 2 cents.
1. Try to resolve it with the offending individual. Talk.
If that doesn't work,
2. Tell your captain you are taking the matter to pro stan and go to your union professional standards rep. He should have a more formal chat with the guy. Usually this clears things up. Stress to him that you feel this is a safety issue that is not being fixed at the flight deck level. Nothing personal.
3. If you fly with him after this and he persists, then you can tell him if he doesn't knock it off, you are gonna rat on him to the CP. The professional Mr. Nice Guy approach didn't work and now you have to be a d*ck. Sometimes, some people don't respond to anything but disciplinary action. This is your last resort...even though you are in the right, you probably won't be very popular after doing this. Sometimes the right thing isn't the easy thing.
And calling in sick only dumps this problem captain on some other, possibly less assertive, first officer. You wouldn't be doing a responsible job by doing this.
Just my $00.02.
#12
then after he gets done with that and listens to the union's cry for months and months and months and months and months of proper documentation....he might get the chance to put himself on a list to not have to fly with him....
It can be handled a lot quicker then that. And with greater satisfaction....
It can be handled a lot quicker then that. And with greater satisfaction....
#13
Gone
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#14
then we agree, deal with it yourself.
If the worst this guy does is talk then it shouldn't be as bad as it was made out to be. I think this pilot needs to speak up more before it gets to the point where he's yelling at the other guy.
solution for the fast checklist, slow down a lot, so they get the point. reading and responding.
If the worst this guy does is talk then it shouldn't be as bad as it was made out to be. I think this pilot needs to speak up more before it gets to the point where he's yelling at the other guy.
solution for the fast checklist, slow down a lot, so they get the point. reading and responding.
#15
Possible CRM nightmare scenerio here....
I do think keeping inside the cockpit at this point is warrented. You have made 2 attempts to fix this issue, one very reasonable, the other a quick shouting episode (needed). I do think another sit down over a beer or 2 should occur before the next flight (within regs of course). Then if it happens one more time in flight, you have a couple options, it is his plane, so give him controls at all times, and turn the intercom off. Or you keep the controls, and tell him you are turning the radios off (don't actually do it), that could force him to pay attention. Remember its his plane, his flight violation for missing radio calls/instructions. Now I realize this is somewhat outside the box, but this guy needs fixing, and no one wants to be the "rat" if they don't have too.
Overall point here, give it one more shot before going outside the cockpit.
And good luck, you should not have to deal with BS like this.
I do think keeping inside the cockpit at this point is warrented. You have made 2 attempts to fix this issue, one very reasonable, the other a quick shouting episode (needed). I do think another sit down over a beer or 2 should occur before the next flight (within regs of course). Then if it happens one more time in flight, you have a couple options, it is his plane, so give him controls at all times, and turn the intercom off. Or you keep the controls, and tell him you are turning the radios off (don't actually do it), that could force him to pay attention. Remember its his plane, his flight violation for missing radio calls/instructions. Now I realize this is somewhat outside the box, but this guy needs fixing, and no one wants to be the "rat" if they don't have too.
Overall point here, give it one more shot before going outside the cockpit.
And good luck, you should not have to deal with BS like this.
#16
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I flew with a guy like that once at my former employer. He kept telling me a story right up to 2000 ft AGL. He ended with, "What do you think?" I responded, "About what? The stupid story you just told me or landing gear up?" I then gave him my best deer in the headlights look. After that I just quit talking to him.
Then there was a guy that wouldn't shut up about the Lear and how great of an airplane it was because he flew it for 6 weeks at another company.
Good luck, it is a tought spot to be in.
Then there was a guy that wouldn't shut up about the Lear and how great of an airplane it was because he flew it for 6 weeks at another company.
Good luck, it is a tought spot to be in.
#18
Gets Weekends Off
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This guy (the unprofessional captain) is flying our spouses and kids around-- and he is compromising their safety.
Do something quickly (talk to him, go to pro standards), and if you don't feel that your concerns have been addressed immediately, you must go to the CP. It will not be popular, but it could very well save lives.
Do something quickly (talk to him, go to pro standards), and if you don't feel that your concerns have been addressed immediately, you must go to the CP. It will not be popular, but it could very well save lives.
#19
Can't abide NAI
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Tell him that you think he's attractive and ask if he's ever considered a relationship with a slightly older man?
He'll shut up. Heck, he'll probably be the one to call in sick. If it doesn't, ask one of the male flight attendants for some homo-erotic porn and next time he pulls out his IPOD, ask him if he would like to read the magazine you brought.
--- it will work ---
Or, simply tell him that he's distracting you and while he might be god's gift to communications in a noisy RJ, you are not and as a favor to you, could he focus on flying to help avoid mistakes...
There is nothing about this that needs to end in a Chief Pilot's office. That would look bad for both of you.
He'll shut up. Heck, he'll probably be the one to call in sick. If it doesn't, ask one of the male flight attendants for some homo-erotic porn and next time he pulls out his IPOD, ask him if he would like to read the magazine you brought.
--- it will work ---
Or, simply tell him that he's distracting you and while he might be god's gift to communications in a noisy RJ, you are not and as a favor to you, could he focus on flying to help avoid mistakes...
There is nothing about this that needs to end in a Chief Pilot's office. That would look bad for both of you.
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