All future DAL classes delayed indefinitely?
03-19-2008, 12:07 PM
#31
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The above post is what I have been told to. Of course this can all change, but as of now, it will still be somewhere above 500 pilots for the year. Probably more than that.
I think that this is a temporary thing for DAL. It is not seen as permanent. We aim to go 50/50 on international and domestic. That means a lot more blue suits will come through the door. That is todays five year plan, not tomorrows. Nothing is a guarantee, but it is a lot better than the press is making this out to be. It is a necessary cut so that we do not loose billions like we did after the summer of 01. They are realizing the problem at least six months before they did last time. Dal still states that we may make money this year(We will see about that)
I truly cannot see DAL getting rid of 757's and 7ER as some posts have said. Maybe off of the domestic market, but I cannot see selling them. Park yes, but those are the airframes that we have built this business plan on.
Of further note, we are buying all of our recurrent sim time from UAL in DEN. It sucks, but with all of the new hires going to the ER there is not time in ATL. A two to three month hiatus in hiring will allow them to get rid of that bulge. It costs a lot to do training out of our complex. This also reduces costs.
If anything changes, I am sure that we will know, but for now, not much except there may not be 800 new hires this year.
Lets hope that they do not readjust this number again.
I think that this is a temporary thing for DAL. It is not seen as permanent. We aim to go 50/50 on international and domestic. That means a lot more blue suits will come through the door. That is todays five year plan, not tomorrows. Nothing is a guarantee, but it is a lot better than the press is making this out to be. It is a necessary cut so that we do not loose billions like we did after the summer of 01. They are realizing the problem at least six months before they did last time. Dal still states that we may make money this year(We will see about that)
I truly cannot see DAL getting rid of 757's and 7ER as some posts have said. Maybe off of the domestic market, but I cannot see selling them. Park yes, but those are the airframes that we have built this business plan on.
Of further note, we are buying all of our recurrent sim time from UAL in DEN. It sucks, but with all of the new hires going to the ER there is not time in ATL. A two to three month hiatus in hiring will allow them to get rid of that bulge. It costs a lot to do training out of our complex. This also reduces costs.
If anything changes, I am sure that we will know, but for now, not much except there may not be 800 new hires this year.
Lets hope that they do not readjust this number again.
03-19-2008, 12:07 PM
#32
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Originally Posted by joel payne
I think one of the reasons Pan Am went under is because they didn't have the domestic market to support their international flying. Hope DAL keeps that in mind. See comments below from another website.
Pan Am's founder, Juan Trippe, was the world's first airline tycoon, the imperial skygod, his company the aviation pioneer that came to be known as America's Imperial Airline. First to fly the Pacific, first across the Atlantic, first around the world—Pan Am was once one of the most glamorous and best-known global corporations. Its worldwide headquarters—the crown jewel—was on Manhattan's Park Avenue, the Pan Am Building, the world's largest corporate office building at the time. Pan Am had more international destinations than any other airline, flying to 113 cities in 81 countries, from Capetown to Moscow, Oslo to Buenos Aires. The other airlines at the time "were domestics, like Greyhound Bus," says Robert Gandt, author of the book Skygods: The Fall of Pan Am. Pan Am would have "no miserable lunches in places like Des Moines or Cincinnati or Boise. For them it would be sushi in Tokyo, petit déjeuner in Paris, tea in London."
Pan Am's founder, Juan Trippe, was the world's first airline tycoon, the imperial skygod, his company the aviation pioneer that came to be known as America's Imperial Airline. First to fly the Pacific, first across the Atlantic, first around the world—Pan Am was once one of the most glamorous and best-known global corporations. Its worldwide headquarters—the crown jewel—was on Manhattan's Park Avenue, the Pan Am Building, the world's largest corporate office building at the time. Pan Am had more international destinations than any other airline, flying to 113 cities in 81 countries, from Capetown to Moscow, Oslo to Buenos Aires. The other airlines at the time "were domestics, like Greyhound Bus," says Robert Gandt, author of the book Skygods: The Fall of Pan Am. Pan Am would have "no miserable lunches in places like Des Moines or Cincinnati or Boise. For them it would be sushi in Tokyo, petit déjeuner in Paris, tea in London."
Our domestic feed is strong...everywhere except JFK. It isn't bad because of local outbound demand, but I'm guessing you will see us increase our domestic gauge into JFK sooner or later.
03-19-2008, 12:15 PM
#34
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Call me a Pollyanna, but I do believe the press (and the naysayers on these forums) are overreacting for drama's sake.
The international plan is sound--if dollars are weak, then sell more tickets in foreign currency. Brilliant.
I'm not an expert, but most legacies slow hiring in the summer anyway so their sim instructors can fly the busy line, I think.
The international plan is sound--if dollars are weak, then sell more tickets in foreign currency. Brilliant.
I'm not an expert, but most legacies slow hiring in the summer anyway so their sim instructors can fly the busy line, I think.
03-19-2008, 03:26 PM
#38
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Originally Posted by JetPiedmont
Don't forget all the malaria and yellow fever epidemic zones in Africa, South America, India and Pacific Rim. Be sure to pop all those malaria pills and take your diarrhea meds.
Compared to all that, I would love a good old fashioned hamburger in our "Des Moines".
Compared to all that, I would love a good old fashioned hamburger in our "Des Moines".
If thats the case then it sounds like you would also like DAL. After flying all over Europe and Asia for 12 years in the military I also enjoy domestic flying which is why I bid it. If I feel like flying International in a few years, I will bid that. Except for new hire getting the 767ER out of initial no one is forced to fly those routes. Although I assume your post was TIC, a lot of what you say is true and a lot of pilots do not want to fly to those places - but a lot do. That is the beauty of it all - as a new hire you can bid anything from MD-88 to international 767ER - options are good.
This can all change on a dime so lets all hope for the best. Scoop
03-19-2008, 04:54 PM
#39
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Originally Posted by Scoop
JetPiedmont,
If thats the case then it sounds like you would also like DAL. After flying all over Europe and Asia for 12 years in the military I also enjoy domestic flying which is why I bid it. If I feel like flying International in a few years, I will bid that. Except for new hire getting the 767ER out of initial no one is forced to fly those routes. Although I assume your post was TIC, a lot of what you say is true and a lot of pilots do not want to fly to those places - but a lot do. That is the beauty of it all - as a new hire you can bid anything from MD-88 to international 767ER - options are good. This can all change on a dime so lets all hope for the best. Scoop
If thats the case then it sounds like you would also like DAL. After flying all over Europe and Asia for 12 years in the military I also enjoy domestic flying which is why I bid it. If I feel like flying International in a few years, I will bid that. Except for new hire getting the 767ER out of initial no one is forced to fly those routes. Although I assume your post was TIC, a lot of what you say is true and a lot of pilots do not want to fly to those places - but a lot do. That is the beauty of it all - as a new hire you can bid anything from MD-88 to international 767ER - options are good.
This can all change on a dime so lets all hope for the best. Scoop
03-19-2008, 06:50 PM
#40
seeing the large hubs...
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Originally Posted by Scoop
JetPiedmont,
If thats the case then it sounds like you would also like DAL. After flying all over Europe and Asia for 12 years in the military I also enjoy domestic flying which is why I bid it. If I feel like flying International in a few years, I will bid that. Except for new hire getting the 767ER out of initial no one is forced to fly those routes. Although I assume your post was TIC, a lot of what you say is true and a lot of pilots do not want to fly to those places - but a lot do. That is the beauty of it all - as a new hire you can bid anything from MD-88 to international 767ER - options are good. This can all change on a dime so lets all hope for the best. Scoop
If thats the case then it sounds like you would also like DAL. After flying all over Europe and Asia for 12 years in the military I also enjoy domestic flying which is why I bid it. If I feel like flying International in a few years, I will bid that. Except for new hire getting the 767ER out of initial no one is forced to fly those routes. Although I assume your post was TIC, a lot of what you say is true and a lot of pilots do not want to fly to those places - but a lot do. That is the beauty of it all - as a new hire you can bid anything from MD-88 to international 767ER - options are good.
This can all change on a dime so lets all hope for the best. Scoop
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