USAirways recalling
02-18-2006 | 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by cactusmike
The furloughed pilots from AAA are "not being cut loose", they just cannot displace an active pilot. The recalls mean that whoever accepts a recall will come back on the active list at his normal place on the AAA seniority list.
If the West (AWA) has any new hire openings then the same furloughee would have the option to go to the AWA list, on the bottom of that list. However, when the two seniority lists are combined (doesn't look like that will happen for at least 1 more year) that recalled pilot would go to whatever position on the combined list based on his original AAA seniority number. Confused? You should be! Any AAA pilot recalled to AWA gets to keep his longevity for pay purposes, so even though he may be placed on the bottom of the AWA list for a year he gets whatever longevity he had accrued for pay and vacation. Longevity, of course, is based only on the active time that pilot spent on the AAA seniority list. We have former AAA pilots now that were hired a couple of years ago that still have AAA seniority numbers. It will be interesting when this is all through.
One more thing, there are 3 757s coming and all the E 190s. They will be placed on the AAA certificate (that will be the surviving certificate for FAA purposes) but whoever flys them is still to be negotiated per the transistion agreement. AWA was in a growth mode before this buyout so we feel we should have a share of the new flying before the lists are merged. The plan is for us to have a single certificate in April of 2007, but it can't be a done deal until the seniority lists are merged as well.
If the West (AWA) has any new hire openings then the same furloughee would have the option to go to the AWA list, on the bottom of that list. However, when the two seniority lists are combined (doesn't look like that will happen for at least 1 more year) that recalled pilot would go to whatever position on the combined list based on his original AAA seniority number. Confused? You should be! Any AAA pilot recalled to AWA gets to keep his longevity for pay purposes, so even though he may be placed on the bottom of the AWA list for a year he gets whatever longevity he had accrued for pay and vacation. Longevity, of course, is based only on the active time that pilot spent on the AAA seniority list. We have former AAA pilots now that were hired a couple of years ago that still have AAA seniority numbers. It will be interesting when this is all through.
One more thing, there are 3 757s coming and all the E 190s. They will be placed on the AAA certificate (that will be the surviving certificate for FAA purposes) but whoever flys them is still to be negotiated per the transistion agreement. AWA was in a growth mode before this buyout so we feel we should have a share of the new flying before the lists are merged. The plan is for us to have a single certificate in April of 2007, but it can't be a done deal until the seniority lists are merged as well.
It is good news. I got furloughed from AAA in Jan '02. I've been through 3 activations, 1 LCC and now back to a major since then. Since AAA furloughed so many so fast, a lot of us have had over 4 years to find something else. AAA had the best Captains I ever encountered in civilian and military flying, and EVERY pilot on the active list was once one of those Captains. I have a high regard for the AW pilots with whom I'm acquainted and you guys made a hell of a rebound after 9/11. I wil probably not be returning to your new company, as I have over 1500 guys senior to me on the AAA APL, but I wish you the best. I have very high hopes for your new company. Your two pilot groups are probably the most humble and professional in the industry.
02-20-2006 | 09:32 AM
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A few things to add:
1. The recalls are for the three new 757's, not the E-190 yet. The E-190's are sched. to arrive in November, so it is likely that training for that aircraft would start in the late summertime. The CP's office has indicated that recalls will continue from here on out to cover the growth and attrition. Rumor is that an additional of another dozen of the 757's is being considered as well.
2. Their is little doubt that the E-190's will be added to the US certificate, as it already has full approval for the type from the current E-170 operation. What is not clear is how a bridge transition could be set up to allow HP pilots to bid over into the E-190 prior to merger being completed. Although it did not happen, the discussions about the procedures allowing US pilots to recall to fly as a HP F/O might set the precedent until US Airways has one pilot list. One possibility is the idea of pay protection for a number of HP F/O's that could have bid into the left seat of the E-190, while still having to remain at HP for now.
3. What IS unlikely is the desire of a HP F/O to bid over, or many of the US furlouhgees to accept recall into the right seat of the E-190. The pay is really not that great.
4. With many of the U furloughees bypassing recall (the Trans. Agreement stipulates no hit if you pass up the right seat of the E-190 while awaiting the 737 or airbus), Recalls will go quite junior, and eventually it is possible that newhire positions will become avail. before the furlough list is completly recalled (much like with the E-170, when newhire F/O's were brought over from Allegheny and Piedmont while many of the U furloughees passed it up and stayed on furlough)
5. No flow though program form PDT and PSA exists at this time, and IMO the likelyhood is small that one will be established, thus IMO US Airways may well join Continental as one of the few legacy carriers hiring new pilots anytime soon.
Just my opinion...
oh, BTW
Not just wrong, but waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay wrong pal.
1. The recalls are for the three new 757's, not the E-190 yet. The E-190's are sched. to arrive in November, so it is likely that training for that aircraft would start in the late summertime. The CP's office has indicated that recalls will continue from here on out to cover the growth and attrition. Rumor is that an additional of another dozen of the 757's is being considered as well.
2. Their is little doubt that the E-190's will be added to the US certificate, as it already has full approval for the type from the current E-170 operation. What is not clear is how a bridge transition could be set up to allow HP pilots to bid over into the E-190 prior to merger being completed. Although it did not happen, the discussions about the procedures allowing US pilots to recall to fly as a HP F/O might set the precedent until US Airways has one pilot list. One possibility is the idea of pay protection for a number of HP F/O's that could have bid into the left seat of the E-190, while still having to remain at HP for now.
3. What IS unlikely is the desire of a HP F/O to bid over, or many of the US furlouhgees to accept recall into the right seat of the E-190. The pay is really not that great.
4. With many of the U furloughees bypassing recall (the Trans. Agreement stipulates no hit if you pass up the right seat of the E-190 while awaiting the 737 or airbus), Recalls will go quite junior, and eventually it is possible that newhire positions will become avail. before the furlough list is completly recalled (much like with the E-170, when newhire F/O's were brought over from Allegheny and Piedmont while many of the U furloughees passed it up and stayed on furlough)
5. No flow though program form PDT and PSA exists at this time, and IMO the likelyhood is small that one will be established, thus IMO US Airways may well join Continental as one of the few legacy carriers hiring new pilots anytime soon.
Just my opinion...
oh, BTW
The old USAir union already cut loose their furloughed brothers as part of the merger agreement. Th new USAir only has to give them preferrential interviews, but they start all over as I understand it. Something like that.
Last edited by Savannahguy; 02-20-2006 at 09:39 AM.
02-20-2006 | 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Savannahguy
Aoh, BTW
Not just wrong, but waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay wrong pal.
Not just wrong, but waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay wrong pal.
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