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A320fumes 05-08-2008 02:06 PM


Originally Posted by Ottopilot (Post 381744)
There is no protection unless it's part of an agreement. We have no agreement with anyone, but we are not merging with anyone at this time. For example: I think there is a two-year no furlough agreement between DAL/NWA. Who cares? It takes that long to start integrating the companies, then the furloughs will really kick in. How about a 10 year no-furlough. Two years is a joke, but it will give us time to get our resumes up to date. :D

Agreed. I was aluding to an different agreement between CAL and UAL pilot groups. On a side note, friend of mine, semi-high in UAL management, said that the true reason Larry walked away was that financing was not available. I think Air France floated Delta over $600 million to get the DAL/NWA thing financed. Sounds more believable than Larry looking out for employees.

flybynuts 05-08-2008 02:19 PM

I can see that but I also heard that it was our desire to have the West Coast and we can do it cheaper than merging "at this time." As you can see for me, ignorance is bliss.

Relic01 05-08-2008 02:30 PM


Originally Posted by Ottopilot (Post 381348)
Exactly. That's what we need to change. Those greedy pilots can ruin it for the junior guys. They just don't get it.

I am usually scheduled about 80 to 85 hours of flying per month bidding wide with PBS but end up flying much more due to delays and etc. I guess I'm one of those greedy guys.

Ottopilot 05-08-2008 02:57 PM


Originally Posted by Legacypilot (Post 381799)
Cal Guys,

I am one of you...been with the company nearly 1.5 years. I never fly less than 90 hrs/month (exception: Vacation or calling in sick)...I try every month to bid low with PBS....it never gives me it. If you are on reserve (especially A) this summer 90 hrs will be a low number. Just my 2 cents!

I've never gone over 90 on PBS or reserve- any time of year.

Ottopilot 05-08-2008 02:59 PM


Originally Posted by Relic01 (Post 381844)
I am usually scheduled about 80 to 85 hours of flying per month bidding wide with PBS but end up flying much more due to delays and etc. I guess I'm one of those greedy guys.

That's a normal line. The greedy guys pick up time on their days off and fly through vacation to get near 100 every month.

Legacypilot 05-08-2008 05:02 PM

I can only speak for the guys and gals at Houston...but 90+ hrs while on A reserve last summer was the norm...good job we are over manned this summer :-)
Remember Larry like all CEO's does not work for us! He would throw his G Ma out on the street if the stockholders demanded it.

flybynuts 05-08-2008 06:29 PM

Rumor is that we are 200 pilots over this fall which means that we are probably right where we should be.

southbound 05-08-2008 06:50 PM

Just a quick informal survey shows IAH 737 FO's on reserve flying 65-75 hrs per month. Seems like alot for a reserve at most other companies but 20 hrs low when compared with normal reserve utilization at CAL.

Ottopilot 05-09-2008 02:47 AM

It doesn't matter if the reserves are busy flying 90 hours per month, there are plenty of pilots who will volunteer for junior manning (VJM) this summer for the extra pay. ;)

When will CAL realize that reserves are for people who call in sick, time out, etc. and not for flying 90 hours to save the company money. Line flying belongs to line holders; reserve flying belongs to reserves covering line flying that cannot be done by the line holder due to sickness, MX, weather, time out, etc. Am I wrong?

Legacypilot 05-09-2008 05:20 AM

Ottopilot,

You are spot on...I agree. We have somehow let the company establish this system without a fight.


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