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The Duke 06-09-2008 09:26 AM


Originally Posted by WhizWheel (Post 400633)
You know man I have to agree and those on the far right are just as "out there". I just like the fact that O'Reilly doesn't take S from anyone but I don't agree with everything he says. Its so true....Republicrats......same rhetoric in different clothes.

You're probably gonna want to change your avatar after watching Bill O's comments re: Malmedy in WW II. His comments were probably the most un-American comments I've ever heard from a member of our media. Completely despicable, I'll never glance at his show again after he denigrated the memory of so many of our servicemen. I know you're not that big a fan of his, but it's a wonder he even still has a job anymore after this stunt...He's probably the biggest revisionist historian I've ever come across.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0aAVifJqDE

The Duke 06-09-2008 09:43 AM


Originally Posted by TimSmith (Post 400650)
Educate yourself. Syriana was financed by Mark Cuban. While he has been a very good team owner for the Dallas Mavericks, the rest of his business dealings and money expenditures are easily documented and very left wing. Mark Cuban even put Dan Rather's career on life support on his cable network. The same Dan Rather that reported a story that everyone knew was fictitious in the 2004 election campaign. Mark Cuban also financed and exucutive produced a film called "Redacted." This was marketed as a supposed documentary on the Fallujah battle. It was later ferreted out as a fictitious "what could have happened" story spun with an incredibly negative slant against our troops and this nation. Free speech is what it is and you are free to support this kind of drivel. Me? I have friends in the military and don't particulary care to support outright slander of their character. That's just me though.

Mark Cuban has endorsed Republican mayor Bloomberg of NYC for President, so I'd say he's definitely not left-leaning.

Additionally, I see no evidence that he was the primary financier for the movie Syriana. He did finance Redacted via Magnolia Pictures, however, Syriana is a Warner Bros. film and was not financed by Cuban.

TimSmith 06-09-2008 09:56 AM


Originally Posted by The Duke (Post 400668)
Mark Cuban has endorsed Republican mayor Bloomberg of NYC for President, so I'd say he's definitely not left-leaning.

Additionally, I see no evidence that he was the primary financier for the movie Syriana. He did finance Redacted via Magnolia Pictures, however, Syriana is a Warner Bros. film and was not financed by Cuban.

Syriana was financed by Cuban and his independent film company. Warner Brothers bought the rights to the film later. Another film bought by a major studio from Cuban's film company was the semi-documentary on CBS's news department's (Edward Murrow) showdown with Joseph McCarthy in the 50's. I believe it was titled "Good Night and Good Luck." It was also purchased by Warner Brothers. Bloomberg may be Republican, but even he makes Hillary look a tad bit right leaning. Parties don't necessarily ensure a candidate's ideology. Bill Richardson is a Democrat, but he tends to be of a conservative ideology. Does that mean the Democrat party is now the home of conservatism? As you pointed out in a previous post, most of em are the same. Point is you have to research and read a fellows works to get a feel for which direction he comes from and where he is headed.

deltabound 06-09-2008 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by CE750 (Post 399886)
if you haven't already seen this movie, see it.. I can't think of a better documentary of how things are done in the world of big business, big oil and puppet governments


http://syrianamovie.warnerbros.com/

From the trailer:

"It's running out, and 90% of what's left is in the Middle East"

Uh, what? That's certainly news to Russia, Brazil, Canada, Venezuela, Mexico, etc.

I saw the movie, and frankly, I find the thought that the "evil Americans" are assassinating enlightened oil princes who only want to bring reform, democracy and enlightenment to the middle east offensive and borderline delusional.

Oil is a complicated subject. This movie is a nice little story, but it is very, very much fiction with an anti-American bias.

The Duke 06-09-2008 10:08 AM


Originally Posted by TimSmith (Post 400677)
Syriana was financed by Cuban and his independent film company. Warner Brothers bought the rights to the film later. Another film bought by a major studio from Cuban's film company was the semi-documentary on CBS's news department's (Edward Murrow) showdown with Joseph McCarthy in the 50's. I believe it was titled "Good Night and Good Luck." It was also purchased by Warner Brothers. Bloomberg may be Republican, but even he makes Hillary look a tad bit right leaning. Parties don't necessarily ensure a candidate's ideology. Bill Richardson is a Democrat, but he tends to be of a conservative ideology. Does that mean the Democrat party is now the home of conservatism? As you pointed out in a previous post, most of em are the same. Point is you have to research and read a fellows works to get a feel for which direction he comes from and where he is headed.

Jeffrey Skoll of eBay fame funded Syriana via Participant Productions, not Mark Cuban. At least that's what I've read.

Spaceman Spliff 06-09-2008 10:23 AM

Allow me to reiterate my rant that it is absolutely asinine for one to base his/her arguments of the geopolitical landscape (or anything else) based on a movie, produced for entertainment and with the the sole purpose of making a buck.

We as a democracy are in deep sh!t if the gullible public follows like lost sheep even the least compelling, least factual and most ludicrous assertions simply because they're on a movie screen.

Think for yourself, people!!!

Rant complete. :cool:

Eric Stratton 06-09-2008 10:40 AM


Originally Posted by Spaceman Spliff (Post 400696)
Allow me to reiterate my rant that it is absolutely asinine for one to base his/her arguments of the geopolitical landscape (or anything else) based on a movie, produced for entertainment and with the the sole purpose of making a buck.

We as a democracy are in deep sh!t if the gullible public follows like lost sheep even the least compelling, least factual and most ludicrous assertions simply because they're on a movie screen.

Think for yourself, people!!!

Rant complete. :cool:

does that go for news programs as well, like o'reilly or dobbs?

CE750 06-09-2008 11:07 AM


Originally Posted by deltabound (Post 400678)

I saw the movie, and frankly, I find the thought that the "evil Americans" are assassinating enlightened oil princes who only want to bring reform, democracy and enlightenment to the middle east offensive and borderline delusional.
.

So you would chose the Ostridge method of burry your head in the sand to the facts and discount it all is fiction over facing reality? Read the book "See no Evil" by the ex-CIA agent, or use Google and type in Oil, Middle East, and Politics and see what you get.. here is some help ( http://india_resource.tripod.com/mideastoil.html )

Reality is my friend, America isn't perfect, sure we're probably more perfect than most, but we're far from living the Christian message.

Yes, we do these things, and yes we do them in the name of oil. Study the history of the Middle East, the creation of the various "Kingdoms" and the British occupation, followed by American transition of power in the region.

Study it for yourself. Don't just take the Fox news or Rush Limbaugh version as Gospel.

Delta pilots are known to be educated and worldly people and my experience with the ones I knew is that this is true.

CE750 06-09-2008 11:09 AM


Originally Posted by Spaceman Spliff (Post 400696)
Allow me to reiterate my rant that it is absolutely asinine for one to base his/her arguments of the geopolitical landscape (or anything else) based on a movie, produced for entertainment and with the the sole purpose of making a buck.

We as a democracy are in deep sh!t if the gullible public follows like lost sheep even the least compelling, least factual and most ludicrous assertions simply because they're on a movie screen.

Think for yourself, people!!!

Rant complete. :cool:

This movie is no more entertainment than Fox news's editorial shows or Rush Limbaugh. Just because you disagree with it's political slant, doesn't make it fiction. I am no Democratic supporter, and I'm strongly pro-life and Roman Catholic, but truth is truth, movie or otherwise.

CE750 06-09-2008 11:12 AM


Originally Posted by The Duke (Post 400657)

As an Armchair WWII historian, I find that utterly disgraceful! :mad::rolleyes:

Worse than even this! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMMklhX74_w

edit: BTW.. WhizWheel, this guy, Chris Mathews in my book is a far better independent guy who doesn't take crap like BO'.. At least he's well informed about what he's arguing about.. BO' is embarrassing sometimes.


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