Lalo37

Here's the deal:
I travel and jumpseat out of my uniform quite a bit because if I dont have to wear my uniform, it's way more comfortable and I wont. With that said, I ALWAYS travel in slacks, and a nice long sleeved business casual shirt. Professional looking in my opinion. Lately when I go through security (The defenders of our country the TSA) I get hassled about needing a boarding pass. Obviously if there is 7 flights to where I am trying to get to and I dont know what flight I will make, I DONT have a boarding pass......just my Airline Crew ID. They always ask me..."Are you working?" I respond "No, I am jumpseating, I will get my boarding pass at the gate"
Do they really not understand this. I mean really? I am a crewmember, I am trying to get to work when I start tomorrow, I dont want to wear my uniform, I look professional and good enough to sit in the actual (as allowed by captains) and yet these clowns harass me about not having a boarding pass?
Has anyone else encountered this?
Do they not understand jumpseating?
I strongly dislike the TSA and how they talk down to people so maybe I am biased but up till about three months ago, I never had a problem......and now they want to see a boarding pass all the time.

Any thoughts?

clearandcold

I usually just get a security pass from the ticket agents outside of security. It's easier not to fight with these idiots because they could really care less about what you're doing, where you're going, or why. All they know is no liquids, computers out, and boarding passes in hand.

captjns

Would you expect anything less from graduates from the B.F. Skinner Institute of Learning. He proved, not just rodents, but even Neanderthals can be taught basic tasks.


Skinner influenced education as well as psychology. He was quoted as saying, "Teachers must learn how to teach... they need only to be taught more effective ways of teaching." Skinner asserted that positive reinforcement is more effective at changing and establishing behaviour than punishment, with obvious implications for the then widespread practice of rote learning and punitive discipline in education. Skinner also suggests that the main thing people learn from being punished is how to avoid getting punished the next time.
Skinner says that there are 5 main obstacles in learning:
1. People have a fear of failure
2. There is a lack of directions
3. There is also a lack of clarity in the direction
4. Positive reinforcement is not used enough
5. The task is not broken down into small enough steps
Skinner suggests that with all of the obstacles out of the way any age appropriate skill can be taught using his 5 principles:
1. Have small steps
2. Work from most simple to most complex tasks
3. Repeat the directions as many times as possible
4. Give immediate feedback
5. Give positive reinforcement

sailingfun

The actual TSA rule is that if your airline serves that airport you don't need a boarding pass. If your airline does not serve that airport then they can require you to have one. ALPA is working hard to get the entire system changed so that we can go to work without having to go through the security system using the CASS system they came up with for the jumpseat. Working these issues at the national level takes time but there is some hope it may be online before the end of the year.

DYNASTY HVY

What ever happened to the kindler gentler TSA we were promised ?






Fly it like you stole it !

stoki

TSA is one HUGE waste of money. That said, I get the same thing, its annoying as hell, and they end up letting me through anyways... so why bother even asking???? I hate the lack of common sense this whole system has. Makes traveling in my opinion 50% less pleasurable and a PITA for everyone. Everytime I pass through "security" I feel like I just walked out of a hurricane. Bunch of clowns.

Phuz

Those clowns are the product of our nation's educational system. You can find them everywhere from TSA to Wal-Mart. We are outnumbered in this country by these 'clowns' and its becoming more and more evident to me each day.

I guess all we can do is try to do a good job with our kids.

StillInstructin

I guess my issue with the Thousands Standing Around is lack of normal procedures. Why at some airports you need a security doc, some you don't regardless of airlines serving. Half of them never heard of AWAC and just let me by anyway. Why do some tell you to take the shoes off even if you are in uniform? Why do they have only 1 line open in LGA but 10 people working one line? Why do they look at me cross eyed when I tell them I am jumpseating on a carrier other than one I work for? That really confuses them. Last but not least I think they make more money than I do. Nice.

G-Dog

Simply tell them that you are jumpseating and that jumpseating has a title attached to it. It is call "Additional Crew Member".

bifff15

As a product of 20 years of govn't service (military), a graduate of survival school, and 11 years of jumpseating here are a few things I would add:

1. List for the jump seat if you have time. It makes it easier for the agent when you do this.

2. Each airport is different (just like each base even though all operate on the same rule set supposedly). Each airport may actually have more restrictive rules, just not less. Some require a boarding pass prior to being allowed to the gates. Others don't. Learn which ones do and give yourself the time. If you don't know, assume it's required so you aren't pressed for time when you get to the Nazi checkpoint.

3. Positive reinforcement: Just like in the previous dialog people like positive reinforcement. Compliment and thank them for the job they are doing (even if you don't think it's required) which will help endear them to you hopefully making it less difficult to get past them.

4. NEVER volunteer info. Q: Are you on your way to work? A: Yes, but not for a week. Better answer: Yes, I am. Q: Why aren't you in uniform? A: I don't like to travel in uniform, I could mess it up.

5. Lastly, like every government program it's probably not going away. ACCEPT THAT. Yes, we can hope ALPA navigates some course to lessen the pain. However, in the mean time accept what it is that you can not change. Approach the check point as something to be passed through and nothing more, a speed bump as you pull into the parking lot. As soon as you accomplish this the sooner the pain will drop.