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JoeyMeatballs 06-30-2008 02:35 PM


Originally Posted by Invisible Man (Post 415773)
If only the commuters wouldn't fly for nothing.
It's the chicken and the egg argument.
IM

why not, the Majors don't fly for that much more, what is like 50% less then pre-9/11, not including inflation. I am sick of the mainline guys always crying how the regional guys ruined everything, it was the greed and ego of the mainline guys that created this mess, not us. I wish the mainline guys would lead by example and stand up for themselves for once..........

RockBottom 06-30-2008 02:37 PM


Originally Posted by drvannostren (Post 415731)
Since the union can't get a damn thing done with management they need to resort to fighting amongst themselves?

You nailed it, drvannostren. Typical of frustrated pilot groups, they start doing stupid acts of desperation. Take it out on each other when you can't get anywhere with management. Really smart.

HercDriver130 06-30-2008 02:58 PM

I see so UAX pilots should just sit idly by while their OWN pilots are illegally denied the JS on their/our own aircraft........if the UAL Mainline guys would GIVE up the seat they know they shouldnt have it wouldnt be a problem.... but then that might inconvienence some mainline guy.... what if UAX guys were getting a mainline seat over a UAL guy... holy crap batman what would the fall out be... but see its "just" a regional guy... so mainline pilots couldnt care less.

i dont like this either... but not sure what the answer is.

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Invisible Man 06-30-2008 03:15 PM


Originally Posted by SAABaroowski (Post 415777)
why not, the Majors don't fly for that much more, what is like 50% less then pre-9/11, not including inflation. I am sick of the mainline guys always crying how the regional guys ruined everything, it was the greed and ego of the mainline guys that created this mess, not us. I wish the mainline guys would lead by example and stand up for themselves for once..........

I didn't say it was all the commuters fault. I agree mainline dropped the ball, but the commuters are also partly responsible. And I'm sick of the commuters not accepting some of the blame. You are right, our pay is not so great. But there is a big difference why. Ours was forced on us by a BK judge. As for standing up for themselves, they are trying. But it isn't easy when the pay rates set by the commuters are so low. Not trying to fight with you. But mainline and the commuters are to blame. Not just one or the other.
IM

skidmark 06-30-2008 03:18 PM

I read the whole thing today. It is easy, United just needs to fix the computer glitch. Simple as that.

ghilis101 06-30-2008 03:31 PM

wow talk about biting the hand that feeds you. this is bad. i hope uax guys really dont follow through with this threat nothing good can come from this

dojetdriver 06-30-2008 03:32 PM


Originally Posted by Invisible Man (Post 415773)
If only the commuters wouldn't fly for nothing.
It's the chicken and the egg argument.
IM

If only mainline guys would fly for mainline wages. Egg or chicken?

Invisible Man 06-30-2008 03:40 PM


Originally Posted by dojetdriver (Post 415828)
If only mainline guys would fly for mainline wages. Egg or chicken?

Your right. But it was a BK judge that forced mainline wages on them.
IM

dojetdriver 06-30-2008 03:50 PM


Originally Posted by Invisible Man (Post 415839)
Your right. But it was a BK judge that forced mainline wages on them.
IM

Sorry, refresh my memory. Which airlines had pay rates FORCED on them by a judge while in BK? Did Wedoff determine what EVERY pilot left on property would make make at UAL?

I remember them (the pilot group) agreeing to multiple concessions.

I also remember the CAL/AA pilot groups agreeing to a concessionary CBA and NOT being in BK.

I believe the only group that had pay "forced" on them was AS. And that was by an arbitrator.


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