AMR management must love you TWA guys. Keep the ranks divided, turn any discussion into an AA-TWA piXXing contest and expend more energy fighting each other than the guys at Centreport.

Yep, THAT will get a great new contract!

Yeah bbq's work well. How come SWA doesnt have these probs? All I'm saying is if you were offered millions in bonuses you would take them. Dont blame the pilots getting bonuses blame those making the decisions. Seems like the union is just as much a problem as the managers.

Well if Judas John and Eddie Saks Ave White hadn't treated the TWA pilots like dog mess than maybe they would have been allies.

By letting the APA deal with the TWA pilots Con-man Carty hit a major homerun. Even Jeff Brundrege called the integration a shet sandwich and he is the HR management guy.

Finally, a good contract / a bad contract doesn't affect most TWA pilots because we've been on the street for 5 years, sorry to sound selfish towards my brothers at the APA, but after what they did to us...well maybe I'm not sorry. The APA should have thought about this divide and conquer integration before they shoved it down out throats.

FF

Just curious, what is accomplished by badmouthing your own airline? Do you expect to get a raise now? The thought processes are about the same as when a two year old doesn't get the toy he wants. Good lord people you have a picture of AA management with Saddam Hussein. It amazes me that grown men can think of this stuff, and amazes me even more that somebody with authority looks at this stuff and says, "yeah thats perfect, just what we want. A picture of Arpey, Hetterman,etc. with Saddam Hussein. Brilliant."

If any of you rocket scientists look at the website, you'll see that's it's not sponsored by the APA.

I doubt AA senior managers pay any attention to such stuff. They don't care what the employees think as long as the fat bonuses keep going into the bank account.

Ok, Capt. Fury is the creative genius behind the title page and the Bring Me my Fool stuff. The other pages, along with the extremely moving song are APA. I think, after hearing that song, I am ready to start a revolution. Bring me my pitchfork.

Thats ok, the red tails at American have a picture of the APA greats with a famous dictator from the past.:cool:

I'm not bad mouthing AMR, it is the methodology that the APA used to integrate the TWA pilots onto their list which basically ensures that during every downturn - 9/11 aftermath/current fuel crisis, etc., that the bottom redtails will be the furlough fodder.

FF

You can thank APA, AA managers and ALPA under Woerth for the 'divide-and conquer'; the TWA pilots were just innocent bystanders caught up in the middle.

I know AA is big, but damn that is a lot of Flight ops directors and CPs

I agree that it was an act of stupidity for Carty to buy the TWA assets, when the usual modus operandi of AA to buy an airline/assets, then get rid of the aquired capacity was followed yet again. This was a stupendous waste of money for AA, created turmoil in the AA workforce, and was obviously bad in the extreme for TWA and it's employees.

It seems to be the opinion of the employees that TWA could have survived on its own. They should have been given that chance, but, as usual, the big guys made their bundle, then jetted off into the sunset very rich.

Anyone (mostly TWAers) at the bottom of the seniority lists at AA should consider AA a dead-duck for recall. I think there's going to be another huge blood-letting re-furlough for the recent recallees. I don't see any way that AA can avoid a BK next winter even with the drop dead failure of UAL. Of course, any serious belief that AA will declare BK will likely trigger mass retirements, but even then, it's questionable that a post BK, sub-UAL court-imposed contract will be worth coming back to.

With there were a glimmer of hope, but this entire country is headed to hell in a handbasket and I just don't see any genuine political will to change that.

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