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jetGlue 07-09-2008 05:19 AM
TonyM,
where were you in the industry when this occurred?

jetGlue 07-09-2008 05:20 AM
What are your thoughts on the current US/AWA pilot situation? (directed to all thread participants)

aa73 07-09-2008 05:23 AM
Originally Posted by jetGlue (Post 421708)
TonyM,
where were you in the industry when this occurred?

spankin' it to Scarface and his boyhood crush.... :D

jetGlue 07-09-2008 05:26 AM
Originally Posted by aa73 (Post 421714)
spankin' it to Scarface and his boyhood crush.... :D
:D
LOL
:D

aa73 07-09-2008 07:03 AM
Originally Posted by B757200ER (Post 421339)
To answer your question: Furloughs should have been FAIRLY distributed, if 2890 were furloughed, half from AA, half from TWA. The percentages would STILL disadvantage the TWA pilots and give a windfall to AA's!
I don't disagree with the 50-50 idea. However, interesting that you would think that with 50-50 furloughs, AA pilots would still get a windfall? Please elaborate...


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B757200ER 07-09-2008 08:12 AM
Originally Posted by aa73 (Post 421771)
I don't disagree with the 50-50 idea. However, interesting that you would think that with 50-50 furloughs, AA pilots would still get a windfall? Please elaborate...
Okay: Here is 50/50, simply put. There were 2,890 pilot furloughs at AA after 9-11, which started on October 1st,2001 and ended on June 1st,2004. If half of the 2,890, which would be 1445 pilots, were furloughed from both the TWA list and the AA list, TWA would still have lost 60% of their pilots, while AA would have only lost 13% of their pilots. The most senior TWA furloughee would be a '96 hire F/O, the most senior AA furloughee a spring '99 hire F/O.

For what really happened, see my post above. Not equitable, not fair, not reasonable at all, buyout or not.

Also, consider this: Every legacy airline downsized 20% after 9-11, and subsequently furloughed massive amounts of pilots. If AA had not bought TWA, instead of using TWA pilots as a doormat-buffer to insulate new-hires like you from furlough, 2,000+ pilots from AA only would have been furloughed instead. Many of your APA brethren live in a fantasy all-about-me world and don't believe that; it WOULD have happened, trust me. The buyout of TWA saved you and others from a long furlough.

And now, with oil prices shooting off the scale, if furloughs occur at AA again, WHO will be furloughed? recently-recalled former TWA pilots, not you.

jetGlue 07-09-2008 08:25 AM
Originally Posted by B757200ER (Post 421827)
Okay: Here is 50/50, simply put. There were 2,890 pilot furloughs at AA after 9-11, which started on October 1st,2001 and ended on June 1st,2004. If half of the 2,890, which would be 1445 pilots, were furloughed from both the TWA list and the AA list, TWA would still have lost 60% of their pilots, while AA would have only lost 13% of their pilots. The most senior TWA furloughee would be a '96 hire F/O, the most senior AA furloughee a spring '99 hire F/O.

For what really happened, see my post above. Not equitable, not fair, not reasonable at all, buyout or not.

Also, consider this: Every legacy airline downsized 20% after 9-11, and subsequently furloughed massive amounts of pilots. If AA had not bought TWA, instead of using TWA pilots as a doormat-buffer to insulate new-hires like you from furlough, 2,000+ pilots from AA only would have been furloughed instead. Many of your APA brethren live in a fantasy all-about-me world and don't believe that; it WOULD have happened, trust me. The buyout of TWA saved you and others from a long furlough.

And now, with oil prices shooting off the scale, if furloughs occur at AA again, WHO will be furloughed? recently-recalled former TWA pilots, not you.
And if AA didn't buy the TWA assets, 100% of the TWA pilots would have been on the street post 9-11.

next?

jetGlue 07-09-2008 08:27 AM
What are you thoughts on the USAPA's adgenda?

Herkulesdrvr 07-09-2008 08:36 AM
I have to agree that TWA pilots have been treated poorly by AA. How AA can get away with this is beyond me. They all wear the AA uniform now but its like they don't. Hopefully AA will start treating their people better.

jetGlue 07-09-2008 08:44 AM
Originally Posted by Herkulesdrvr (Post 421844)
I have to agree that TWA pilots have been treated poorly by AA. How AA can get away with this is beyond me. They all wear the AA uniform now but its like they don't. Hopefully AA will start treating their people better.
AA set the stage. There's no doubt about that. It was TWA's decision to head down that road.

They did.


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