NetJets crews in the back question.
09-05-2008, 04:26 AM
#11
New Hire
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If your on a paid ticket you have absolutely no obligation to check in with the crew. On the other hand, I sure do like to know if there are people I can count on in back if the dung were to hit the circular cooling device. So for me, I don't get upset if you don't check in, but I REALLY appreciate it when you say hello.
09-05-2008, 04:46 AM
#12
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Joined APC: Mar 2007
Position: 88B - Loud Pipes Save Lives
Posts: 1,597
Originally Posted by CA1900
Guys, we're paying passengers. We're on real (expensive) tickets, went through security (probably with SSSS!), and have seat assignments. We're just part of the herd.
If it's that important for us to "check in," then we should be pre-boarded. Besides, we're only going to hold up your boarding if we insist on stopping the flow to come up and say hi! What would I do with my bags in the meantime -- leave them in the aisle while the FAs have to retreat into the galley? Or leave them in the jetway, and have to push my way back out to get it after I've "checked in"? It just isn't practical unless you're standing at the cockpit door greeting passengers. If you are, of course I'll say "hi!" But I'm not going through all of the above, or waiting 'til the end and losing all hope of an overhead bin. If you really want to talk, come on out and have me pre-boarded into first class. I'll be happy to oblige!
We wear a vaguely airline-looking uniform because our company requires us to do so on the way to an assignment, but we're not jumpseaters.
If it's that important for us to "check in," then we should be pre-boarded. Besides, we're only going to hold up your boarding if we insist on stopping the flow to come up and say hi! What would I do with my bags in the meantime -- leave them in the aisle while the FAs have to retreat into the galley? Or leave them in the jetway, and have to push my way back out to get it after I've "checked in"? It just isn't practical unless you're standing at the cockpit door greeting passengers. If you are, of course I'll say "hi!" But I'm not going through all of the above, or waiting 'til the end and losing all hope of an overhead bin. If you really want to talk, come on out and have me pre-boarded into first class. I'll be happy to oblige!
We wear a vaguely airline-looking uniform because our company requires us to do so on the way to an assignment, but we're not jumpseaters.
09-05-2008, 10:31 AM
#14
Gets Commercial DHs
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: Swinging Fifi's gear
Posts: 120
If I'm traveling in uniform AND the guys aren't busy I let them know that I'm on a ticket. I do this as a courtesy so they or the FA(s) don't think I am JS and not checking in.
In my previous incarnation as a regional pilot I had several jumpseaters who didn't check in and I would have no idea, this included pilots from my own company! I personally would rather err on the side of letting the guys doing the driving know what is going on than **** somebody off.
My $ .02, YMMV.
BBF
In my previous incarnation as a regional pilot I had several jumpseaters who didn't check in and I would have no idea, this included pilots from my own company! I personally would rather err on the side of letting the guys doing the driving know what is going on than **** somebody off.
My $ .02, YMMV.
BBF
09-05-2008, 11:03 AM
#15
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Posts: 188
There is no need for a Net Jets pilot to check in with the cockpit if they are travelling on a paid ticket.If they are jumpseating of course they should.
My hat is off to the Net Jets group for fighting a good fight and gaining meaningful wage increases in the industry.
This ultimately helps pilots at all levels.
My hat is off to the Net Jets group for fighting a good fight and gaining meaningful wage increases in the industry.
This ultimately helps pilots at all levels.
09-05-2008, 11:24 AM
#17
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: 747 Captain (Ret,)
Posts: 804
I think we all understand the courtesies involved in traveling as a jumpseater.
If you have a ticket, AND you are entering by the door closest to the cockpit, it would be appreciated if you would stick your head in and say hi to any pilot if you can do so without interupting something that looks important. Mention that you're traveling on a ticket, and offer to help out if needed.
If you are NOT at the door closest to the cockpit, no need to swim upstream, especially on the 747, unless you are seated on the upper deck anyway. Do mention your status to a FA.
Joe
If you have a ticket, AND you are entering by the door closest to the cockpit, it would be appreciated if you would stick your head in and say hi to any pilot if you can do so without interupting something that looks important. Mention that you're traveling on a ticket, and offer to help out if needed.
If you are NOT at the door closest to the cockpit, no need to swim upstream, especially on the 747, unless you are seated on the upper deck anyway. Do mention your status to a FA.
Joe
09-05-2008, 11:25 AM
#18
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: ATL717A
Posts: 890
Originally Posted by Learflyer
Once when I was traveling in uniform, an FA came by and whispered to me where the cockpit door key was hidden (just in case). I just said "thanks."
Huh? Just in case of what? That's great to know f/a's are coming up with their own thing. What airline was this?
09-05-2008, 11:44 AM
#19
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Position: FAA 'Flight Check'
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Originally Posted by CA1900
Guys, we're paying passengers. We're on real (expensive) tickets, went through security (probably with SSSS!), and have seat assignments. We're just part of the herd.
If it's that important for us to "check in," then we should be pre-boarded. Besides, we're only going to hold up your boarding if we insist on stopping the flow to come up and say hi! What would I do with my bags in the meantime -- leave them in the aisle while the FAs have to retreat into the galley? Or leave them in the jetway, and have to push my way back out to get it after I've "checked in"? It just isn't practical unless you're standing at the cockpit door greeting passengers. If you are, of course I'll say "hi!" But I'm not going through all of the above, or waiting 'til the end and losing all hope of an overhead bin. If you really want to talk, come on out and have me pre-boarded into first class. I'll be happy to oblige!
We wear a vaguely airline-looking uniform because our company requires us to do so on the way to an assignment, but we're not jumpseaters.
If it's that important for us to "check in," then we should be pre-boarded. Besides, we're only going to hold up your boarding if we insist on stopping the flow to come up and say hi! What would I do with my bags in the meantime -- leave them in the aisle while the FAs have to retreat into the galley? Or leave them in the jetway, and have to push my way back out to get it after I've "checked in"? It just isn't practical unless you're standing at the cockpit door greeting passengers. If you are, of course I'll say "hi!" But I'm not going through all of the above, or waiting 'til the end and losing all hope of an overhead bin. If you really want to talk, come on out and have me pre-boarded into first class. I'll be happy to oblige!
We wear a vaguely airline-looking uniform because our company requires us to do so on the way to an assignment, but we're not jumpseaters.
That was going to be one of my many questions on this thread as I am trying to learn the ins and outs.
What exactly are you (or others) wearing that would make the crew think that you are jump seating? I would have assumed (and we all knows what happens then!) that you (they) would have been traveling on the first and last days of your trip in civilian clothes. It is my understanding that as you astutely point out - fractional pilots as passengers using an airline to get and from work. I would think that the crew wouldn't appreciate the interuption of someone stopping by the cockpit to chat during normal borading - so your point of pre-boarding is well taken.
USMCFLYR
09-05-2008, 11:47 AM
#20
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Position: FAA 'Flight Check'
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Originally Posted by Pan Pan
If your on a paid ticket you have absolutely no obligation to check in with the crew. On the other hand, I sure do like to know if there are people I can count on in back if the dung were to hit the circular cooling device. So for me, I don't get upset if you don't check in, but I REALLY appreciate it when you say hello.
)I love to look in the cockpit while boarding the plane to see the pilots (still waiting to run acorss someone I know) and the avionics but I feel like I'm going to get run over from the people pushing from behind or the FA is going to give me a nasty look for trying to get a peek (like I'm a terrorist and checking out my target or something) so I just glance and continue to move on towards the coach seats! Certainly no time to actually stop and stick my head in to say hello.
USMCFLYR
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