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NetJets crews in the back question.
I was wondering if you guys want us to check in at the cockpit. I had one Capt confront me and tell me I was "rude" because I walked by. Others ask me why I check in with them. :confused:
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Originally Posted by lpcunity
(Post 455922)
I was wondering if you guys want us to check in at the cockpit. I had one Capt confront me and tell me I was "rude" because I walked by. Others ask me why I check in with them. :confused:
If you are a jumpseater it is common courtesy to check in at the cockpit unless you already met the Captain at the gate area. |
he may have thought u were jumpseating....otherwise tell him to go scratch!
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some confusion comes when you see a uniform running to the back. i usually look for the gold tie. if i'm on a paid ticket i don't check in and wouldn't expect you to either
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I don't expect it because you've paid for a ticket
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You're not jumpseating, so it is certainly not required. On the other hand, assuming the cockpit crew isn't busy, I think a quick "Hello" would be a nice gesture of professional courtesy.
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They are full revenue passengers, not non-revs or jumpseaters. Saying 'hi' is nice, but by no means needed.
Frankly, we should be happy they are riding on us because it means someone is actually probably paying full-fare for a ticket on us. I have talked with many Netjets pilots and found them to be very polite and professional. I am happy they are on board when they are on board. |
Ditto to the above posts. He most likely thought you were jumpseating and didn't check in.
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I've had the same issue as I work for UPS. It never occurred to me that I should acknowledge the flight crew by approaching their "office." I've had a few say things as I've deplaned.
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Guys, we're paying passengers. We're on real (expensive) tickets, went through security (probably with SSSS!), and have seat assignments. We're just part of the herd.
If it's that important for us to "check in," then we should be pre-boarded. Besides, we're only going to hold up your boarding if we insist on stopping the flow to come up and say hi! What would I do with my bags in the meantime -- leave them in the aisle while the FAs have to retreat into the galley? Or leave them in the jetway, and have to push my way back out to get it after I've "checked in"? It just isn't practical unless you're standing at the cockpit door greeting passengers. If you are, of course I'll say "hi!" But I'm not going through all of the above, or waiting 'til the end and losing all hope of an overhead bin. If you really want to talk, come on out and have me pre-boarded into first class. I'll be happy to oblige! ;) We wear a vaguely airline-looking uniform because our company requires us to do so on the way to an assignment, but we're not jumpseaters. |
If your on a paid ticket you have absolutely no obligation to check in with the crew. On the other hand, I sure do like to know if there are people I can count on in back if the dung were to hit the circular cooling device. So for me, I don't get upset if you don't check in, but I REALLY appreciate it when you say hello.
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Originally Posted by CA1900
(Post 456195)
Guys, we're paying passengers. We're on real (expensive) tickets, went through security (probably with SSSS!), and have seat assignments. We're just part of the herd.
If it's that important for us to "check in," then we should be pre-boarded. Besides, we're only going to hold up your boarding if we insist on stopping the flow to come up and say hi! What would I do with my bags in the meantime -- leave them in the aisle while the FAs have to retreat into the galley? Or leave them in the jetway, and have to push my way back out to get it after I've "checked in"? It just isn't practical unless you're standing at the cockpit door greeting passengers. If you are, of course I'll say "hi!" But I'm not going through all of the above, or waiting 'til the end and losing all hope of an overhead bin. If you really want to talk, come on out and have me pre-boarded into first class. I'll be happy to oblige! ;) We wear a vaguely airline-looking uniform because our company requires us to do so on the way to an assignment, but we're not jumpseaters. |
The next time that happens to you kindly explain that your positive space on a full fare ticket on a HUGE corporate travel account. That'll shut him up.:rolleyes:
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If I'm traveling in uniform AND the guys aren't busy I let them know that I'm on a ticket. I do this as a courtesy so they or the FA(s) don't think I am JS and not checking in.
In my previous incarnation as a regional pilot I had several jumpseaters who didn't check in and I would have no idea, this included pilots from my own company! I personally would rather err on the side of letting the guys doing the driving know what is going on than **** somebody off. My $ .02, YMMV. BBF |
There is no need for a Net Jets pilot to check in with the cockpit if they are travelling on a paid ticket.If they are jumpseating of course they should.
My hat is off to the Net Jets group for fighting a good fight and gaining meaningful wage increases in the industry. This ultimately helps pilots at all levels. |
Once when I was traveling in uniform, an FA came by and whispered to me where the cockpit door key was hidden (just in case). I just said "thanks.":)
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I think we all understand the courtesies involved in traveling as a jumpseater.
If you have a ticket, AND you are entering by the door closest to the cockpit, it would be appreciated if you would stick your head in and say hi to any pilot if you can do so without interupting something that looks important. Mention that you're traveling on a ticket, and offer to help out if needed. If you are NOT at the door closest to the cockpit, no need to swim upstream, especially on the 747, unless you are seated on the upper deck anyway. Do mention your status to a FA. Joe |
Originally Posted by Learflyer
(Post 456396)
Once when I was traveling in uniform, an FA came by and whispered to me where the cockpit door key was hidden (just in case). I just said "thanks.":)
Huh? Just in case of what? That's great to know f/a's are coming up with their own thing. What airline was this?:confused: |
Originally Posted by CA1900
(Post 456195)
Guys, we're paying passengers. We're on real (expensive) tickets, went through security (probably with SSSS!), and have seat assignments. We're just part of the herd.
If it's that important for us to "check in," then we should be pre-boarded. Besides, we're only going to hold up your boarding if we insist on stopping the flow to come up and say hi! What would I do with my bags in the meantime -- leave them in the aisle while the FAs have to retreat into the galley? Or leave them in the jetway, and have to push my way back out to get it after I've "checked in"? It just isn't practical unless you're standing at the cockpit door greeting passengers. If you are, of course I'll say "hi!" But I'm not going through all of the above, or waiting 'til the end and losing all hope of an overhead bin. If you really want to talk, come on out and have me pre-boarded into first class. I'll be happy to oblige! ;) We wear a vaguely airline-looking uniform because our company requires us to do so on the way to an assignment, but we're not jumpseaters. That was going to be one of my many questions on this thread as I am trying to learn the ins and outs. What exactly are you (or others) wearing that would make the crew think that you are jump seating? I would have assumed (and we all knows what happens then!) that you (they) would have been traveling on the first and last days of your trip in civilian clothes. It is my understanding that as you astutely point out - fractional pilots as passengers using an airline to get and from work. I would think that the crew wouldn't appreciate the interuption of someone stopping by the cockpit to chat during normal borading - so your point of pre-boarding is well taken. USMCFLYR |
Originally Posted by Pan Pan
(Post 456202)
If your on a paid ticket you have absolutely no obligation to check in with the crew. On the other hand, I sure do like to know if there are people I can count on in back if the dung were to hit the circular cooling device. So for me, I don't get upset if you don't check in, but I REALLY appreciate it when you say hello.
I love to look in the cockpit while boarding the plane to see the pilots (still waiting to run acorss someone I know) and the avionics but I feel like I'm going to get run over from the people pushing from behind or the FA is going to give me a nasty look for trying to get a peek (like I'm a terrorist and checking out my target or something) so I just glance and continue to move on towards the coach seats! Certainly no time to actually stop and stick my head in to say hello. USMCFLYR |
Originally Posted by Godzilla
(Post 456390)
There is no need for a Net Jets pilot to check in with the cockpit if they are travelling on a paid ticket.If they are jumpseating of course they should.
My hat is off to the Net Jets group for fighting a good fight and gaining meaningful wage increases in the industry. This ultimately helps pilots at all levels. USMCFLYR |
Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
(Post 456416)
I feel like I'm going to get run over from the people pushing from behind or the FA is going to give me a nasty look for trying to get a peek (like I'm a terrorist and checking out my target or something) so I just glance and continue to move on towards the coach seats! Certainly no time to actually stop and stick my head in to say hello.
USMCFLYR Monday on my way home from a trip. |
Originally Posted by Jughead
(Post 456403)
Huh? Just in case of what? That's great to know f/a's are coming up with their own thing. What airline was this?:confused:
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I look at the load information to see if they have "Jumpseater" checked yes. If so, I expect the jumpseater to come up and politely ask for a ride, otherwise don't worry about it. We get NetJets guys all of the time - but I usually don't see them until we are waving good bye.
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When in doubt.... check in. If you have to ask, then the answer is yes.
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I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with you. Netjets pilots are full-fare paying passengers. They are unable to jumpseat or non-rev on an airline and as such should never have to check in with the flight crew. If the flight crew has a problem with that it's due to their own ignorance. If I were a netjets pilot I would not check in with the crew and if they asked I'd simply explain what has been said numerous times in this thread already.
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Thanks for the insight everyone. I sure miss my jumpseat perks, but it's nice NJA pays for our tickets and the money goes to the airlines.
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
(Post 456418)
Are some fractional companies even given jumpseating priviledges?
USMCFLYR Probably not. They are not on my JS list. They would need to be in CASS to use any 121 jumpseat. |
this thread is great. A few years ago I asked a uniformed pilot after he deplaned..
"Hey, how come you did not check in with me for the ride??" he said "Im with Netjets and our tickets are purchased ahead of time, fully paid." I felt like such an idiot. He could have deffinately told me to go $crew myself. Instead he was very polite. Netjets guys always welcome aboard after that experience. Hands down. |
Of course, Net Jets isn't the only carrier that buys its crews tickets to ride in the back.
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Originally Posted by dannolars
(Post 456424)
That is exactly how I feel, everytime I try to take a peek into the cockpit the FA gives me a "oh hell no" look while moving to cut me off just in case I try to lunge inside for a fire handle or something. I then meander back to my seat feeling like a frickin' criminal who has done nothing other than try to see some buds and check out the cockpit. Just happened
Monday on my way home from a trip. USMCFLYR |
Originally Posted by Godzilla
(Post 456497)
Probably not.
They are not on my JS list. They would need to be in CASS to use any 121 jumpseat. USMCFLYR |
Originally Posted by Godzilla
(Post 456497)
Probably not.
They are not on my JS list.
Originally Posted by Godzilla
(Post 456497)
They would need to be in CASS to use any 121 jumpseat.
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Okay, I think we've proven that Netjets guys don't have to check in nor are they eligible for the jumpseat since they are not 121 or in CASS. Next......
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I can't believe this thread has been going on for 4 pages...:rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by DAL4EVER
(Post 456613)
Okay, I think we've proven that Netjets guys don't have to check in nor are they eligible for the jumpseat since they are not 121 or in CASS. Next......
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
(Post 456540)
Happened to me too on Monday in a EMB-120 out of San Diego. Hey - can't a pilot get some love? :rolleyes:
USMCFLYR |
Originally Posted by Bluto
(Post 456640)
Considering they were probably on leg x of 8, with a 19 minute turn, and there's nowhere for the FA to go if you want to peek in the flight deck, I'd consider cutting them some slack. It was like pulling teeth just to get them to let us out to do a walk-around, sometimes.
I don't need to cut them any slack because I wasn't giving them any grief. I was making a point that I like to look into the cockpits of airplanes but that it is either inconveinent to do so or the FAs are blocking the view and I'm certainly not going to ask them to move so I can get a better view. It was pretty late in the evening so I'm sure that they were probably on the backside of those 8 legs you speak of and yes - it was a very quick turn; plus I'm impressed that the CA was the one doing the walk around. USMCFLYR |
Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
(Post 456646)
they were probably on the backside of those 8 legs you speak of and yes - it was a very quick turn; plus I'm impressed that the CA was the one doing the walk around.
USMCFLYR Besides, some CA's just prefer to do the walk around. |
Originally Posted by dojetdriver
(Post 456652)
It's not uncommon. ESPECIALLY if the above case is true. After spending that much time in the plane, going over the paperwork, programming the box, and possibly trying to get some other collateral duties done after mulitple quick turns during a long duty day, it's nice as the CA to get out of the plane and walk while the FO sits indside for once. More so when the weather is nice, like in SAN;).
Besides, some CA's just prefer to do the walk around. USMCFLYR |
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