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Old 10-05-2008, 06:44 PM   #1  
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Default American Airlines Considers Ala Carte Pricing

I would like to know what the base price is for standing. For flights of less than 2 hours, I don't want a seat anyway.

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FORT WORTH, Texas - The idea of paying a single, simple fare to fly on an airliner is becoming as quaint as stewardesses in short skirts.

American Airlines is about to accelerate the trend of breaking the cost of a trip into an airfare plus many smaller fees.

Starting next year, American, which led a stampede by U.S. carriers to charge customers for checking even a single suitcase, plans to imitate the a la carte pricing structure pioneered by Air Canada, airline officials say. There are likely to be a few basic fare plans, and travelers can pick additional services -- for a fee.

Fans of "unbundling," as it's called, say it gives travelers lower base fares with the option of paying for extras that they really want, from beverages to blankets.

Some travelers are wary, however, and suspect the airlines are just trying to chisel them a few bucks at a time.

Phone and cable companies have been using this pricing approach for years to offer extras like premium channels and pay-per-view events. Now airlines see unbundling as a way to boost revenue and defray sky-high prices for jet fuel. In recent months they have added and enlarged charges for fuel, checked baggage, changing flights, upgrading from coach and other services.

There may be no going back to all-inclusive fares, even with the recent decline in fuel prices.

"We as an industry have opted to not just raise (ticket) prices but to raise prices and change the fee structure," said Daniel Garton, American Airlines' executive vice president of marketing. Without fees to offset rising costs, "you're not going to be talking about fees -- you're going to be talking about lost service ... being able to have a flight to San Diego," he said.

UAL Corp.'s United Airlines expects to raise $700 million a year from fees. Northwest Airlines Corp. estimates baggage charges will bring in $150 million to $200 million a year. Continental Airlines Inc. predicts it will generate more than $100 million just from a new $15 fee for checking a single bag -- that doesn't include levies on additional bags.

Airlines have grown more sophisticated at wringing every last dollar out of a flight, partly by lowering and raising fares based on supply and demand. Much of this magic, called "yield management," is invisible to passengers, but it results in people in the same cabin paying wildly different amounts for the same flight.

Executives at Air Canada, which revamped its fare structure and began unbundling five years ago, look down their noses a bit at the actions of their U.S. counterparts, saying a la carte pricing should be about transparency and customer choice, not simply revenue.

Air Canada went through bankruptcy earlier this decade, and when it emerged in 2004 it was losing customers to low-cost rival WestJet Airlines Ltd. Air Canada fought back by creating a bare-bones service to compete with WestJet fares, with extra amenities for picking a fancier plan.

"We did this in the environment of Air Canada losing market share," said Ben Smith, executive vice president at Air Canada. "It was about gaining the confidence back from our customers and offering products we thought they wanted."

On Air Canada's Web site, travelers pick from four fare levels. The top tickets, called Latitude and Executive Class, are fully refundable and come with priority check-in, food and other goodies included.

The cheapest fare, called Tango, requires extra fees for upgrades such as a food voucher, advance seat selection, flight changes and airport lounge access. Tango passengers can save another $3 by declining frequent-flier miles or not checking a bag.

"Consumers don't understand airline pricing, and they certainly don't understand yield management," said Peter Belobaba, an expert on airline pricing at MIT. "Air Canada is saying, 'We're practicing all those pricing strategies, but at least we're laying it out for you."'

Smith said simplified fares have helped Air Canada stabilize its domestic market share -- which it needs to feed its profitable international routes -- and increase revenue. Half of Air Canada's passengers pick an option higher than the basic Tango plan, he said.

Air Canada passengers give the airline credit for making fares understandable -- "It's nice to know where I could save money," said Amanda Kruzich, a cosmetics company marketing rep who recently flew on Air Canada from Toronto to Dallas.

Still, Kruzich said she would rather have an all-inclusive fare.

"I feel nickel-and-dimed when I have to pay extra for everything," she said. "Just throw it all in and tell me what the fare is."

Matt Kokidko, who works for a car-rental company in Orlando, Fla., and recently flew to Dallas on American, agreed.

"We're not saving enough on the fares to justify that," Kokidko said of the extra fees charged by American. He had not flown in a while and was stunned that American charged for use of a headset.

Scott Cowley of Dallas, a frequent flier in his job as sales representative for an aerospace parts manufacturer, said he does not want to take time to go through a menu of optional, for-a-fee services.

"It's hard enough to find the flight I want at the time I want," he said.

But experts say travelers should expect fees to become permanent.

George Hobica, founder of airfarewatchdog.com, a discount-travel Web site, expects airlines to start charging extra for carry-on bags, booking a flight online, and picking a seat assignment.

"The fees are here to stay, and there will be more of them," he said. "Honestly, I think it's better for consumers. If I pack light, why should I pay for the guy who packs heavy?"

According to a recent survey of airline executives by consultant IdeaWorks, fees that will spread the fastest will be for Internet, e-mail and mobile phone service during flights and for special seating, such as in exit rows.

Southwest Airlines Co. avoids most of the fees charged by rivals, and brags about that in television ads. Senior vice president of marketing Dave Ridley said the money other carriers make from fees might be offset by passengers booking their next flight on Southwest.

But Southwest will soon survey consumers about charges, and Ridley wouldn't rule out fees in the future.

There are still a few technology speed bumps in the way of true a la carte pricing.

Airlines still sell a large chunk of their tickets through global distribution systems, or GDSs, which were built to display simpler fare structures to travel agents and "have been very slow" to change how they display fares, said Smith of Air Canada.

The largest GDS, Sabre, says it has solved those problems.

Where will airlines draw the line on new fees?

Hobica thinks charging passengers by weight makes perfect sense because they cause the plane to burn more fuel. But he admits a poundage penalty might be hard to sell, and so would charging for oxygen masks.

"I can't see them announcing, 'Put in another quarter for the next three minutes,"' he said.
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Seems like yesterday when Crandall was saying there were too many fees and tried to rationalize pricing with only 4 fares:

Fasten Your Seat Belts for The Fare War - TIME
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This is very much the end of what little pride in service we've had as an industry...a sad way to go out.
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Has any airline proposed charging for carry-ons? I'm a little worried that we cockpit crew members -- whether we're deadheading on our own airline or another, or jumpseating, or simply travelling for personal business using our ID/passes -- will be asked to pay for bringing our carry-on on board. Anybody got visibility on that?
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No, but you now have the bean counters thinking...
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I would like to know what the base price is for standing. For flights of less than 2 hours, I don't want a seat anyway.
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Old 10-06-2008, 11:09 AM   #7  
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You're telling me if they put these seats on a Airbus 380 I have to stand up! Forget that, 10 hours of standing up is not the best idea. Plus I don't think anyone can survive a crash standing up that.
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Has any airline proposed charging for carry-ons? I'm a little worried that we cockpit crew members -- whether we're deadheading on our own airline or another, or jumpseating, or simply travelling for personal business using our ID/passes -- will be asked to pay for bringing our carry-on on board. Anybody got visibility on that?
There's no longer any room in the overhead bins BECAUSE of the charges for checked bags. People are playing Tetris with their enormous bags just to save $50 or whatever it is now. Can't say I blame them, but I've had to continually check my crew bag planeside while commuting ever since CAL started charging bag fees a few weeks ago.
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Great idea....cram more bodies into an airliner.
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Maybe they should check-out how NK does it...... Or maybe they already have????????? I'm sure they'll have/had a good time in FLL and Miramar
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