Do any of you 500 hour wonders GET THE CLUE??? The guys at Delta are standing up to management so that YOU have a chance at career where you can do more than live 20 guys in a two bedroom apartment surviving on beenie weenies and making more than the 25000 a year that you are currently doing.

If you want some real perspective, the call up some of your college buddies who went to law school or engineering school and ask them what they they started at.

 

Oh ok....Doesnt sound fun tho.

 

Do you really believe that the pilots at Delta care about what happens to pilots not employed by Delta? To think that Delta pilots are making a stand for those pilots that are about to take a private pilot exam, wow what gentlemen. If pilots cared about pilots at another place of employement or the "new guy" why would the Eastern, Pan AM, TWA, and Braniff, pilots not have been imediately hired by the ones left standing, with full senority?????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????? It doesn't work the way you are trying to say it does. Pilots are like all humans greedy. This means that whatever is best for them, at the time, they will do. Human nature doesn't stop when you enter a cockpit, CRM? The Delta pilots are looking at a simple equation, am I willing to work for DAL for what they are willing to pay me? If the answer is no they will quit, or strike and vote those that are out of a job. A prime example of this is Eastern Airlines. They struck in order to honor a striking union on property, strength in numbers. Bye Bye Eastern Airlines. This industry is in a shables right now and all of us are to blame. Pointing fingers at people does no good. Trying to figure out what to do does some good. The biggest thing to overcome is human nature and the jet airplane.

 

No they don't give a hoot about the youngsters taking their PPL exams now. What they care about is THEIR CAREERS. And they have watched all the rest of us get sold down the river by ALPA and various sundry MEC groups who give away the store in hopes that they can fly one more trip at substandard wages.

Delta pilots have taken notice that everyone else has given in and it has gotten the shaft in the end. I am so absolutely happy that a group of pilots is ****ed off enough to wake up and smell the horse **** that managements are shoveling to them.

I have never been a big fan of Delta Pilots, but this has really earned my respect in a big big way. The whole industry is watching and I am praying that they turn the tide back to a career that earns respect.

Those of you out there who think that your little 60 or 70 dollar an hour RJ pay is what you are worth should take another serious look at your responsibility levels and how much is placed on your shoulders every day.

It is NOT worth what they are paying you. And you know it.

 

I am a young wonder- or CFII/MEI - or whatever you want to call me, and I do appreciate the stance that the DAL and NWA pilots are taking. I believe that labor costs are not the problem. Look at Southwest. Senior 737 Captains currently make more than Senior 777 Captains at Delta. Management should focus on reducing costs elsewhere- not on the hard working pilots that make the airline work everyday.

I am also sick of the arrogant public perception of 'the autopilot flies the plane'. There needs to be more education out there regarding the hard work required and dues paid to get to a major airline. IMO, anyone who has not had the privledge of riding in the jumpseat (as I have) does not have the right to judge how hard pilots work and how much they should earn. It is ironic how everyone wants to pay $89 to get from New York to Orlando, but in the event of emergency, I am sure that 100% of the passengers on board would be glad to pull out their MasterCard and swipe it in the airfone in order to pay the deserving folks up front who are responsible for getting them safely on the ground.

 

Years ago, in the 1980's when Hank Duffy was it's President, ALPA had a public educational program similar to what you're suggesting.

It was funded by volunteer donations from ALPA pilots, not regular union dues. Unfortunately the program lasted a very short time because not enough members contributed to it.

 

And of course, Delta management is completely above board and without fault, right?

I'm certain they are the type of management who tells their pilots to "just fly your airplanes, we'll manage the airline".

 

You have all the makings of a fine CoolAid Drinker!!!!!!

 

Thats because pilots as a group are a very short sighted group. The nature of the career and the training does not make for a well rounded business mindset. This is why they didnt want to fund it.

The same kind of mentality is why:

- We have rank and file pilots instead of negotiators going head to head with trained professional negotiators on contracts.

- We have no national seniority list.

 

Christ, another Lorenzo Junior out there. OK, its fine to slash and slash until your employees are paying you to show-up for work. Its also A-OK to pay the management BONUSES while you are slashing and keep paying those bonuses while your company continues to lose millions of dollars. It is also fine to charge artificially low fares just to justify your announced cuts even though you can't possibly make money with said fares.

Why is it every single so-called arm-chair expert cries foul at our supposedly overpaid employees yet sits absolutely silent while managers keep stuffing their pockets with cash.

It's very easy to make those kind of calls when your sitting in the cheap seats looking in from the outside.

I'll make you a deal, I won't tell you what temperature to cook the french fries at if you don't tell me how much I should or shouldn't be paid.

Thanks for your input. Please put on your hat and get back to work, the fryer is beeping and needs your attention.