All government agencies (postal, teaching, defence to nam a few) have a union. UAW seems to be doing alright. SAG is doin pretty good to. If you dont like it listen to yourself and move on. You can be a server at fridays and never have to worry about a union again.

 

Sorry to be away.

My postings are from my own observations. I understand that you Delta guys are fighting for what you think is your rightful place in the industry however those on the outside for the most part don't agree. It seems to me that the pay scales of the regionals and the majors are coming closer together. I can't think of a single example of when a pay raise at the majors resulted in a raise at the regionals. You union guys have a crazy way of thinking that doesnt seemed matched with reality. Go ahead and strike. There are too many available seats anyway.

SkyHigh

 

I don't see the world as I want it to be, I call it like it is. Yup, the pay is too low. Lower than I will risk my families happiness over, but pounding my fist on the table and claiming that it isn't so will not change anything. The latest generation is prepared to be poor for their career. I can't help that. The only choice available to me is to opt out. I don't see how that makes me a hypocrite. I am only stating what is obvious to everyone else.

I am sure that what management is demanding is frightening to someone who is use to earning a quarter of a million dollars per year, but to a poor regional or LCC pilot even half of a Delta Captains pay would seem like a fortune. I am sure that Delta's management is only trying to find parity with its competitors.

I don't have a chip. If I did I would have to get in line behind a few thousand people who wouldn't mind too much if some of your ivory towers were shortened a bit.


SkyHigh

 

Sure I would jump at a chance to fly for Alaska Air, the rest I am not so sure about. I don't make the news I just make my opinions as I see it. Way back in 1997 a former employer at a corporate/charter company told me that the legacy airlines were going to cave in due to top heavy non-competitive pay scales. He went on to give details about how the downfall would come and what the results would be. Back then there was no way I would have believed him, but darn if he wasn't right on the mark. The day of the "top notch" contracts are over. The airline pilot is sinking to the bottom rungs of status and pay. I can't help it. It isn't my fault. If Delta strikes and the company chooses chapter 7 over concessions then it is over for everyone. Who will risk the same fate? APLA management might as well clean out the safe and move to Mexico.

SkyHigh

 

Your reality skyhigh, you have chosen your path, ride it like a man, but to a bunch of us,you are a bit of a crank,a lofty ,high minded one,but a crank just the same. just calling it like it is.

 

I am sure that my message isn't popular, but I am not here to run for congress.

SkyHigh

 

I agree with SkyHigh. I cannot believe that all the Delta pilots would take themselves down and all of the employees at Delta, too. But, I bet they will do it!!!

 

Sky,Why are you here? Do you see your self as a lonely voice of truth (please get over yourself),or something?

 

Good post Skyhigh. I worked for Deloitte (the company that does the books for Delta) this summer and I had some interaction with their Financials, and they aren't pretty...high operating costs, lots of debt, and tapped out lines of credit...y'all can't borrow anymore money, folks!

Whether the airline is in this position through the fault of management or not can most certainly be debated, but that doesn't change the fact that the company needs to drastically reduce costs. Point is, I'm not sure management has any other option if they want the airline to keep flying. Anyway, just some food for thought...best of luck. I hope it all gets worked out.

 

Delta pilots are on the front lines looking the enemy in the eye. They are in the unenviable position of defending not only their own career but those of us watching from the foxholes. It just so happens that their number came up in this "screw the employees" era and they have chosen to stand and fight unlike others. Anyone who accuses them of looking out for themselves has a shallow view of the situation. The fight going on at Delta will have a profound effect on all of our careers and we should all be a little more careful in criticising something that potentially may stop or reverse this ugly concessionary trend that has gained so much momentum. Step back and look at the big picture and this fight will gain more importance and hopefully more respect for their plight.

First of all Skyhigh, nobody gives a damn what you think. You just keep coming back for more and somehow think we gain from your miserable life - we don't. You have turned this forum into a personal little game of dream destruction and misery propagation. After 600 or 700 posts we get it OK. You must crawl in bed each night just glowing at how much worthless sh!t you spread. I thank God I don't have to be around you or work with you. I can assure you that you would never be in my cockpit more than once. Don't you get it when post after post after post after post tells you to get lost and get a life. How dense are you?
On behalf of the professional pilots on this forum I implore you AGAIN to go away. As of today I will no longer respond or acknowledge any post from this idiot. Any others care to join me?

Any aspiring pilot on this forum can do themselves a huge favor and completely disregard every single thing that is posted from Skyhigh. This is an industry that will survive and be made stronger from the struggles that are going on today. Stick with it and keep the faith.