DAL pilots clearing out their lockers
04-07-2006, 09:56 AM
#11
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Another good move on the unions part. I wish you all, all the best. Don't worry, despite what you might think, there is life after the big leagues. You didn't get to where you are (decent pay/life) without a good dose of brains...you all will do well after Delta. (NO, I am not predicting the end of DL, all I'm saying is if it goes that way, you will use your smarts to your benefit, not managements).
04-07-2006, 10:00 AM
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From what I read elsewhere... the "practice strikes" and strike threats are posturing used by the Delta union to get management to talk to them. Apparently it's not working yet. I suppose now that the lockers being cleared today will make management at Delta nervous enough to end the impasse. If the pilots do strike then there is little doubt that Delta will be finished as passengers take their business elsewhere and those inconvenienced will demand compensation at virtually every airport Delta operates out of.
I'm begining to understand that airline pilots do these sorts of things to maintain a level of fear and leverage against management so that they are not treated like ordinary employees, but as the backbones of the companies which they serve. But in this case I would have to strongly disagree with the Delta union if they do indeed end up striking. Maintaining leverage is one thing, but pretty much ending the company you work for is an entirely different animal.
I am almost sure that if everyone at Delta... especially, managment have been reading their history books they will come back to the table and arrange at least a short term solution with the pilots so that they don't go the way of Eastern Airlines.
I'm begining to understand that airline pilots do these sorts of things to maintain a level of fear and leverage against management so that they are not treated like ordinary employees, but as the backbones of the companies which they serve. But in this case I would have to strongly disagree with the Delta union if they do indeed end up striking. Maintaining leverage is one thing, but pretty much ending the company you work for is an entirely different animal.
I am almost sure that if everyone at Delta... especially, managment have been reading their history books they will come back to the table and arrange at least a short term solution with the pilots so that they don't go the way of Eastern Airlines.
04-07-2006, 10:14 AM
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It's their deal- they'll either reap the benefits or not. They are living this and know the score. I wouldn't point them one way or another. I wish them luck.
However, I do find the encouragement of pilots flying for other airlines a little disingenuous. "Go ahead and strike- do it for all of us!" If DAL short-term strikes or folds completely, it will take a huge amount of capacity out of play and enhance every other airline's situation accordingly. Capacity goes down, yields go up,etc.
Good luck DAL pilots- I hope you get what you want.
However, I do find the encouragement of pilots flying for other airlines a little disingenuous. "Go ahead and strike- do it for all of us!" If DAL short-term strikes or folds completely, it will take a huge amount of capacity out of play and enhance every other airline's situation accordingly. Capacity goes down, yields go up,etc.
Good luck DAL pilots- I hope you get what you want.
04-07-2006, 10:23 AM
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It's not just about Delta. My friends at Delta recognize that this madness of destroying our profession has to stop. Unfortunately for them the timing is such that they are the ones called on to carry the torch for all of us at this time. Would they prefer to be watching from the sidelines like most of us? Certainly they would, but they see this as the line in the sand and are boldly stepping up for the cause. For those of you pilots who don't see what they are doing as affecting you, you are mistaken. The careers of every one of us will be affected by this outcome. Every one of us should personally thank every Delta pilot we see for representing the airline pilot profession in this war. If Delta management gets away with this, I can assure you that someone (one of us) will be next with bigger and deeper cuts and concessions - where will it stop?. Airline management will someday (hopefully soon) have to realize that the costs of service needs to be paid for by consumers and not the employees.
04-07-2006, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Imeneo
From what I read elsewhere... the "practice strikes" and strike threats are posturing used by the Delta union to get management to talk to them. Apparently it's not working yet. I suppose now that the lockers being cleared today will make management at Delta nervous enough to end the impasse. If the pilots do strike then there is little doubt that Delta will be finished as passengers take their business elsewhere and those inconvenienced will demand compensation at virtually every airport Delta operates out of.
I'm begining to understand that airline pilots do these sorts of things to maintain a level of fear and leverage against management so that they are not treated like ordinary employees, but as the backbones of the companies which they serve. But in this case I would have to strongly disagree with the Delta union if they do indeed end up striking. Maintaining leverage is one thing, but pretty much ending the company you work for is an entirely different animal.
I am almost sure that if everyone at Delta... especially, managment have been reading their history books they will come back to the table and arrange at least a short term solution with the pilots so that they don't go the way of Eastern Airlines.
I'm begining to understand that airline pilots do these sorts of things to maintain a level of fear and leverage against management so that they are not treated like ordinary employees, but as the backbones of the companies which they serve. But in this case I would have to strongly disagree with the Delta union if they do indeed end up striking. Maintaining leverage is one thing, but pretty much ending the company you work for is an entirely different animal.
I am almost sure that if everyone at Delta... especially, managment have been reading their history books they will come back to the table and arrange at least a short term solution with the pilots so that they don't go the way of Eastern Airlines.
04-07-2006, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by OldAg84
It's their deal- they'll either reap the benefits or not. They are living this and know the score. I wouldn't point them one way or another. I wish them luck.
However, I do find the encouragement of pilots flying for other airlines a little disingenuous. "Go ahead and strike- do it for all of us!" If DAL short-term strikes or folds completely, it will take a huge amount of capacity out of play and enhance every other airline's situation accordingly. Capacity goes down, yields go up,etc.
Good luck DAL pilots- I hope you get what you want.
However, I do find the encouragement of pilots flying for other airlines a little disingenuous. "Go ahead and strike- do it for all of us!" If DAL short-term strikes or folds completely, it will take a huge amount of capacity out of play and enhance every other airline's situation accordingly. Capacity goes down, yields go up,etc.
Good luck DAL pilots- I hope you get what you want.
Ahh a healthy dose of truth. How many times have I heard pilots say the govt. should let usair die so the other carriers can be profitable. Its so easy to cheer when its not your job.
04-07-2006, 10:49 AM
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I agree that it is easier for us to cheer from the sidelines when it is not our job on the line. I would like to think most of us would also recognize the importance of this fight and step up if we were called to do so. I suppose some would and some would not just as some of us would honor a picket line and some would not. In the end, we should be proud of our actions knowing we did the right thing.
04-07-2006, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by calcapt
I agree that it is easier for us to cheer from the sidelines when it is not our job on the line. I would like to think most of us would also recognize the importance of this fight and step up if we were called to do so. I suppose some would and some would not just as some of us would honor a picket line and some would not. In the end, we should be proud of our actions knowing we did the right thing.
04-07-2006, 10:56 AM
#19
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Originally Posted by Imeneo
... airline pilots do these sorts of things to maintain a level of fear and leverage against management so that they are not treated like ordinary employees, but as the backbones of the companies which they serve.
If they're not, then Delta should have no trouble providing service without the pilots. I'd like to see how they do that.
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04-07-2006, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by charley
Hello,I applaud the Pilots at Delta for taking a stand against the Top Management at Delta who have no concern for anyone except themselves!
The bankruptcy laws protect the Corporate world and leave us workers out in the cold!
Good for you Delta Pilots! Bravo!!!! Hang in there!
It a race to the bottom. Thanks UAL!!!!!!!
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