Southwest to buy ATA assets, get New York LaGuardia slots
11-20-2008, 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted by BoeingTanker
I noticed that as well.
My experience is all 4 engines over water so I can hardly spell ETOPS. What is involved in starting ETOPS flights? Is it just training/operations policy stuff and maintenance levels on the jets or are there actual mods to the jets??
If there is something that is done to the jets, how extensive (and expensive) is it. Since there are no aircraft listed as included in the purchase, that would be more mods to the jets if they were going to take advantage of the certification. Or I guess they could go shopping with some of that cash on hand.
Personally I think the value of the slots is what they are buying, the ETOPS portion is just a little icing on the cake. But it's nice to think about while I'm swimming.
My experience is all 4 engines over water so I can hardly spell ETOPS. What is involved in starting ETOPS flights? Is it just training/operations policy stuff and maintenance levels on the jets or are there actual mods to the jets??
If there is something that is done to the jets, how extensive (and expensive) is it. Since there are no aircraft listed as included in the purchase, that would be more mods to the jets if they were going to take advantage of the certification. Or I guess they could go shopping with some of that cash on hand.
Personally I think the value of the slots is what they are buying, the ETOPS portion is just a little icing on the cake. But it's nice to think about while I'm swimming.
11-20-2008, 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by jdt30
I'm not sure how many jets SWA will be receiving from ATA, but I would bet that it's not enough to make it worthwhile to train every pilot on ETOPS procedures. Although they could do what CAL has done on the 73, just hand you a magic marker and show you how to draw circles on a plotting chart.
What assets are we buying exactly?
Southwest, through a stock purchase acquisition, would get several assets of the reorganized ATA Airlines, including the rights to 14 LaGuardia slots. Additionally, we could get various other assets including training materials and trademarks, etc. We have no intention of acquiring any of ATA’s aircraft, facilities, or Employees.
11-20-2008, 05:55 AM
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You guys are getting wrapped around the axle for 14 flights a day out of 3400. I don't think it will be a big deal in the grand scheme of things.
That makes up 4 tenths of 1 percent (.004) of the overall SW flights....
That makes up 4 tenths of 1 percent (.004) of the overall SW flights....
11-20-2008, 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by flaps 9
How much of that 200% increase in revenue will be profit, Einstein?
11-20-2008, 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by ftrplt18e
Itsallgood, maybe your condescending tone with the "not so fast stud" comment led to the change in subject. Especially since it was off thread anyway. By the article, clearly SWA was biggest for 2007. Since we are still in 2008, those numbers haven't come out yet and everyone can fight that arguement when they do. As well, C5 guy stated largest DOMESTIC airline, which SWA still might be even after the merger. But once again lets wait until the numbers come out before we all start going crazy.
As for the thought of SWA going to LGA, I'm shocked that they'd risk it for all the reasons others have stated. However, I will say this...Gary Kelly says SWA is making money at PHL, and I'd imagine they'll find a way at LGA. If not, they'll cut their losses and pull out.
As for the thought of SWA going to LGA, I'm shocked that they'd risk it for all the reasons others have stated. However, I will say this...Gary Kelly says SWA is making money at PHL, and I'd imagine they'll find a way at LGA. If not, they'll cut their losses and pull out.
11-20-2008, 08:09 AM
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No shot...just glad to see you got back on thread!
11-20-2008, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by ITSALLGOOD
Typical tactic when an argument has been lost ...change the subject. The topic was "largest airline" Big guy. Profit (while I conceed is perhaps the most important measure of an airline) is not a metric used in determining size of an airline. The two most common measures are total pax carried and revenue...Genius
You can have the biggest "Johnson" out there but it doesn't make a difference if you can't get into Suzie Q's pants
11-20-2008, 09:18 AM
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Thread closed. Much tit for tat bashing after going off topic and a non-PG13 post.
