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Old 12-09-2008, 05:33 AM
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I think our business travelers would beg to differ...
Obviously sarcasm is hard to read here...
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Old 12-09-2008, 06:01 AM
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To me the bigger question is, are they parking the MD88's or are they moving them elsewhere in the system? If they are moving them then it is not such a big deal!
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Old 12-09-2008, 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by buffalopilot
To me the bigger question is, are they parking the MD88's or are they moving them elsewhere in the system? If they are moving them then it is not such a big deal!
Thats what i am wondering also.
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Old 12-09-2008, 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by buffalopilot
To me the bigger question is, are they parking the MD88's or are they moving them elsewhere in the system? If they are moving them then it is not such a big deal!
I flew with a check airmen in July (yea, they all claim to be "in the know"), but this is exacty what he said would happen. I'll paraphrase: "The loads on the shuttle are around 35%. The MD-88 is too big for that route and in order to keep hourly service, DAL needs a smaller jet. The shuttle -88s will return to the mainlin fleet to replace RJs on routes with more demand and /or routes losing RJ frequency but being replaced by mainline jets."

So it appears those -88s will rotate back into the mainline fleet. Lets hope that holds true.
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Old 12-09-2008, 08:53 AM
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Yes, I believe all 70+ flying should stay at mainline. It's an issue a whole lot bigger than what happens to me or any other regional pilot flying them. I'd take my chances applying to fly it at the major...

Why not cap it at 50 like we did?

For once, I can say that we have something vastly superior to Delta in our contract.

Mind you, its probably the only thing that is better.
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Old 12-09-2008, 08:55 AM
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DAL and DALPA signed a LOA increasing the block hours on the MD-88 FOs in NYC. This was the result of losing part of the Shuttle flying. We now have increased 3 and 4 day trips. For the Jan bid, our ALV is 82:00. We are quite busy here.

So to answer all of the questions, so far, the flying has been picked up with "see America" trips.

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Old 12-09-2008, 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Doug Masters
I flew with a check airmen in July (yea, they all claim to be "in the know"), but this is exacty what he said would happen. I'll paraphrase: "The loads on the shuttle are around 35%. The MD-88 is too big for that route and in order to keep hourly service, DAL needs a smaller jet. The shuttle -88s will return to the mainlin fleet to replace RJs on routes with more demand and /or routes losing RJ frequency but being replaced by mainline jets."

So it appears those -88s will rotate back into the mainline fleet. Lets hope that holds true.
Today in the investors webcast they talked alot about up gauging aircraft in specific markets and that the DC9s were now a very helpful tool in the puzzle. "yesterdays trash is todays treasure" was the exact quote. Context of the discussion was in regards to higher fuel and now low fuel. fwiw

I think we will see alot of md80s and dc9s put on old rj routes. This will allow them to move the same amount of seats with less frequency.
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Old 12-09-2008, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by 757Driver
Why not cap it at 50 like we did?

For once, I can say that we have something vastly superior to Delta in our contract.

Mind you, its probably the only thing that is better.
Here's the question though...I'd be willing to bet CAL needs an aircraft smaller than the 73G and certainly bigger than the E145 (and other than the Q400). Kudos to you guys for holding scope at 50 seat jets. But is it likely that they will approach you guys to fly larger RJ's at mainline?
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Old 12-09-2008, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy
DAL and DALPA signed a LOA increasing the block hours on the MD-88 FOs in NYC. This was the result of losing part of the Shuttle flying. We now have increased 3 and 4 day trips. For the Jan bid, our ALV is 82:00. We are quite busy here.

So to answer all of the questions, so far, the flying has been picked up with "see America" trips.

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Jan's bid package already reflects the reduction of DCA shuttle trips. By my count the number of trips that checked in at LGA and had landings in DCA for Dec was 107; for Jan it's down to 58. Yet, as Fatty points out the ALV for and F/O there is 82 for Jan. Hopefully this is a good indicator that parking aircraft is not planned. On a negative note, the loads could be better--just did a LGA-TPA leg and only had 60 on board. Haven't done one of these lately so maybe it's not indicative of that flight.
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Old 12-09-2008, 11:55 AM
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I have noticed that our mainline loads weren't booked full as they were during the previous months -- especially the last flights of the night.

The Shuttle Trips are hit or miss. But more than likely, they are very undersold.

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