CO 737 departs end of runway in DEN
12-26-2008, 10:15 AM
#143
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It's great to see mostly professional behavior from the message boards here. A lot of the comments after SWA jet at MDW a few years ago were disgusting. Thanks goodness all are okay. Happy Holidays to all.
12-26-2008, 03:20 PM
#144
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Originally Posted by Cargo Pirate
Try it in the sim next time. Max pwr takeoff, 31 knot xwind, fail the upwind engine at 100 knots.
Hang on, you are going offroading.
Hang on, you are going offroading.
12-26-2008, 04:35 PM
#145
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Originally Posted by DeadHead
I second these comments,
I love how people always say that Pilot Error is the leading cause of all aviation incidents and accidents. My answer to this out-lived statistic is simply this,
How many incidents and accidents have occured due to mechanical, meteorological, or other unknown factors?
Not many, because there is usually a highly qualified and capable flight crew there to prevent the disaster.
Give credit where it's due.
I love how people always say that Pilot Error is the leading cause of all aviation incidents and accidents. My answer to this out-lived statistic is simply this,
How many incidents and accidents have occured due to mechanical, meteorological, or other unknown factors?
Not many, because there is usually a highly qualified and capable flight crew there to prevent the disaster.
Give credit where it's due.
Very few incidents or accidents happen for one sole reason. Sadly, when the investigators and "expert" analysts even mention "human error" (defined by me for all practical purposes in response to armchair captains as not doing EVERYTHING perfectly
) as a CONTRIBUTING factor, the room temperature IQ/drive by press takes it to the top of the list. I think they do this both out of fear of the unknown (ie: everything to them as far as aviation is concerned) and sensationalism (like the Eagles song "Dirty Laundry") to sell air time/papers.Like most, I have had it with the general public and their "overpaid" bus driver mantra. Name one other profession with the accountability and responsibility that we carry as nonchalantly as most cubicle monkeys can carry a tune on their way to the water cooler.
A surgeon kills a patient on the table...
If they can't hide the truth in the event of "human error" (which they do as there is no film/tapes/FDRs for the family to review), malpractice insurance makes it go away, but they go home, and get paid.
A lawyer screws up and his client goes to lethal injection or is falsley convicted/raped for the remainder of his miserable life...
The lawyer blames everybody else and then sues anyone he/she can for slander, but he/she goes home, and often gets paid,
We on the other hand get caught up in a dominoes game of other people's mistakes/acts of God where a moment of inattention or hesitation results in a problem and we are crucified by the FAA, NTSB the company, the press and the same whiplash lawyer that got his client executed/falsely imprisoned. And he/she goes home, gets paid and we're applying at Walmart or assuming room temperature.
We don't bury our mistakes, we're buried with them.
Off my sopabox now
12-27-2008, 06:48 AM
#146
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Originally Posted by ewrbasedpilot
Wow......how often has this happened to everyone? Read a checklist, and you could SWEAR you checked that item. . . . 
In 1965 a C-141 departed Wake Island. The crew was cleared to taxi down the runway (no parallel taxi way). As per the manual, the Line up check list was accomplished upon entering the active runway. Spoilers were "Closed RTO (Rejected Take Off) and Armed." The tower asked the crew to expidite their taxi as a C-133 was on a long final. They did so and used reverse to slow down before making a 180 and a rolling take off not realizing the spoilers had deployed while in reverse.
It was night and a highly experienced crew but with low C-141 time had over 100 pax in the back. The pilot recognized something was wrong late in the roll and held it on the ground until the end of the runway then rotated. They got about 150 FPM rate of climb which wasn't bad for the pilot who came from C-124s. The copilot (an RAF Exchange officer) shoved the throttles "through" the instrument panel while the engineer shouted "you're exceeding TRT (total rated thrust). To which the Brit replied in a very clipped calm British voice. "and it will well stay there."
THe CP looked down and recognized the spoiler handle was in the down position and slamed it back up. Imagine an overpowered C-141 flat on the deck at night overwater maybe at 100' suddenly going "clean" at max power. They had a dragster on their hands.
AFter calming down and realizing their mistake, they immediately contact MATS HQ by HF. Shortly after a checklist change came out requiring the "line UP check" list be re accomplished any time reverse is used. Unfortunately another C-141 was lost in Vietnam under similar circumstances.
Distractions, non-standard operatons, weather, etc., etc. - there can be a multitude (and usually is) of factors that cause accidents like this. It had to be a "Merry Christmas" for all to walk away.
Last edited by de727ups; 12-28-2008 at 11:09 AM. Reason: removed profanity
12-27-2008, 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeB525
I just read a newer article that had a statement from one of the pax saying that some of these members of the genius american public were trying to get bags from the overhead bins while the wing was burning.
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