Problem with Flight 1549 - Your thoughts...
 

I'm not a conspiracy theorist...

... But I'm also not into coincidence theories, either.

I'm VERY troubled by yesterday's ditching of Flight 1549. It doesn't make sense to me.

Consider these points:

- Apparently, a flock of birds knocked out two engines but didn't leave an impact on the nose (as you know much more flimsy than engines).

http://usera.ImageCave.com/TruthSleu...-USAir.png.jpg

- This picture is heavily Photoshopped... when you zoom in, you see all sorts of cut and paste artwork... even the USAir logo is pasted onto the plane. Why?

Also in this picture are dozens and dozens of "survivors"... it's hard to count because the picture is so fuzzy and distant (a common theme... distant and fuzzy pics). How can more than 20 people stand on a wing and not collapse it?

- Where are the closeup pictures... if you watch any of the coverage yesterday, all of the camera angles were distant shots... even with the media within hundreds of yards of the scene. Why?

- As of this moment, I've yet to see a single video of the ditching... not one, And I've searched everywhere (including YouTube) -- how can this be? Everyone seems to have a cell phone these days... especially in New York. What about CCTV cameras from the Port Authority... someone has to have a video of this, yet we see nothing. Why?

- One pilot (who if I remember posted here in this thread) lived near the crash scene admits he didn't see the plane ditch... didn't hear the plane ditch, but then saw the plane floating. Odd don't you think?

- The only witnesses of the actual ditching were members of the media (who as you know cover all sorts of things up)... example:
"I just thought, 'Why is it so low?' And, splash, it hit the water," said witness Barbara Sambriski, a researcher at The Associated Press.

- The media is reporting, "It appears to be the first time that a large commercial jet liner ever has made a successful controlled landing into a body of water." Another coincidence. A "Miracle" is the media mantra about this. Can this plane really survive a ditching without nearly a scratch... really?

I could go on and on with minor stuff, but I hope you get my drift.

Your thoughts?

My thought is that you are a tool.
Nice 1st post.

Also, each A320 wing holds about 14,000 POUNDS of fuel. So a couple thousand pounds of people wouldn't matter.

Mod's: lock this thread and ban this loser.

This should be fun.

My thoughts?
I'll quote Charlie Brown.
"AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!"

haha, absolutely classic :), well done

A tool? I don't understand.

I'm a dad with 2 children in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania.

I'm asking simple questions here.

Forget most of what I posted above and please help me with this simple question -- how can more than 20 survivors stand on a wing -- that's impossible isn't it... it would collapse instantly.

Are you working for the media? Are you trying to get some reactions from pilots here?

It's not working!

He probably thinks we never landed on the moon

First off all the airplane was floating so the wing was being supported by water, also I don't know if you know how an airplane flies but if the wings can support the weight of the airplane at 40,000ft I am sure it can handle 20 people standing it........

Yes, I do know how airplanes fly.

I also know that most commercial airliner wings have weight warnings about stepping on the wings... hundreds of pounds maximum if I remember correctly.

TruthSleuth,

I'm now dumber for having read your post! You are awarded no points and may God have mercy on your soul!

WarE

You mean like this....
http://www.wichitaphotos.org/graphic...-18.21.7.1.jpg

Thank you for that... that's a great picture.

That's why I'm here... to get answers to simple questions.

I just know that every time I've flown commercially and look onto the wing, there are "Do not step" warnings with weight restrictions in the hundreds of pounds...

... So when I see more than 20 people standing on a wing, I ask about it.

I don't really understand the hostility quite frankly.

Lemme guess, a 9/11 Truther too, eh?

Then what about those OVERWING EXITS that exist for the sole purpose for getting people out the cabin, onto the wing, then off the wing and away from the airplane.

Water is heavier than fuel, meaning fuel is buoyant in water. The airplane might be metal, but a semi-enclosed vessel (especially with a couple thousand gallons of fuel in each wing) helped keep it afloat.

dude give it up!

In the event of a conspiracy theory, a tin-foil hat will be provided.
 

The hostility comes from the suggestion of a conspiracy relating to this accident, when anybody who has flown airplanes professional knows of the risks birdstrikes pose an airplane.

To answer your question about birds not hitting the nose - birds will often dive downward in the last instant before there is a collision...sometimes they're successful in getting away from the fuselage and engines, sometimes they are not.

It is because you are saying that this is fake and nothing happened.

When a plane falls out of the sky and every person lives is a miracle.

This plane did take off and had engine trouble and ditched in the Hudson.

are you saying that the wing would break apart or that the airplane will tip to one side?

I am sure that if the people huddled to one side it would start to crack but they were spread evenly and they were not on the wing to long

Wings are crazy strong. Walking on them isn't really good for them, hence the no step markings you mention. Many of those stickers are on moving parts, or thin covers to mechanical items, etc.

As far as no close photos, I would hope non essential people would be kept back.

What would be the point of this massive cover up?

You don't understand??? Ok...155 people just survived an accident that could've been catastrophic and you pose SIMPLE questions about the validity of 20 or more people standing on a wing? By the way, I'll give you a hint: physics and pressure. Next time "google" your questions.

Also, standing on the wing might cause some dimples in areas where there isn't a rib close by. But, I think dimpling the wings isn't of incredible importance once you're on US Airways Cruise Lines.

Also, I don't fly the bus, but most commercial airliners can easily withstand at least 1.5 negative Gs (depending on flap setting). So considering that airplane's weight would likely be around 120,000lbs, flip that upside down and you've got a tremendous amount of force able to be withstood.

Summary: Every last person in that plane could have stood on the wing and it wouldn't have broken off. Some dimpling in the skin? Perhaps.

That makes me laugh...thanks!

Unfortunately, I do. Sorry, sir. No conspiracy here. No, the U.S. Government didn't shoot it down and try to cover it up. No, the airline didn't plan a publicity stunt to raise stock prices. No, those Canadian Geese weren't trained by Al-Qaeda to home in on aircraft engines.

No conspiracy. Nothing evil or hidden. Simply an unfortunate accident with a very fortunate outcome. Part of this outcome was due to the skill of the entire crew, part due to the rescuers on the scene, part due to the passengers themselves. If you want to toss in angels or the hand of God, feel free to do so since I can't explain this miracle either, but am very happy it came out the way it did.

Is this guy not another example of the failure of the public school system!

Ever see a yoga master lie on a bed of nails? It's not a matter of the weight, but a matter of the weight distribution. Some ice fishermen and ice skaters find out the hard way that the ice isn't strong enough to support them standing up. If it starts to crack under them, do you know what the solution is? It's lay down and spread their weight across the ice. Those "fragile" wings you are so worried about hold up several thousands of pounds of airplane plus passengers and cargo, but if you put all of your weight on one spot you'll risk damaging the wing.

Stop feeding the troll!

You wrote:

- This picture is heavily Photoshopped... when you zoom in, you see all sorts of cut and paste artwork... even the USAir logo is pasted onto the plane. Why?


It was a USAir jet, and the logo is used for identification purposes and to some extent marketing.


Also in this picture are dozens and dozens of "survivors"... it's hard to count because the picture is so fuzzy and distant (a common theme... distant and fuzzy pics). How can more than 20 people stand on a wing and not collapse it?

Boiler UP gave an excellent explanation. In addition, I took a tour at the Boeing facility north of Seattle, and they test their wings to withstand something like 125% of what is required for certification. Essentially they bend the wing in half until it snaps. The weight sensitive areas of the wings -above the spoilers panels- may in fact be damaged due to a person standing on it, but I think the airplane has other issues right now preventing it from returning to service.

- Where are the closeup pictures... if you watch any of the coverage yesterday, all of the camera angles were distant shots... even with the media within hundreds of yards of the scene. Why?

The aircraft was somewhat isolated being in the middle of the river and was somewhat cordoned off due to the fact that recovery was going on. However, if you watch the news or surf the web there are the closeups you reference.

I appreciate your measured response, GauleyPilot.

What would be the point of this massive cover up.... I'm not saying it's a massive cover up. Something in my gut tells me something isn't quite right about this... that's all.

That's why I came here for some answers.

By the way:
My father sent this short YouTube video to me. It proves that even 60 Minutes totally lied about the Israeli/Palestine conflict:

YouTube - Pallywood

Pretty amazing video, eh?

VERY FUNNY:D

I actually just had a friend call me up and tell me they met someone who works in "aviation risk management", and told him there is no way that birds brought the plane down...cover up, cover up, cover up.

Some people are really complete idiots

Excellent video, BoilerUP... very convincing.

That's why I'm here. Looking for answers.

Heyas,

The wings didn't fail because they were full of chemgoo. You know, the stuff that's used to make chemtrails for weather modification?

They had to keep the photographers back while the NYFD pumped the goo out so that it wouldn't leave a slick.

Sigh....old PT was right...

Nu

Let me help you with that Einstein. Others have posted science based facts as to why your concerns are unfounded. You haven't let that get in the way of your "theory." Since most real pilots have an extremely low tolerance level for those who don't listen to facts, that is a recipe for hostility.

One more time:

1. The wings of the A-320 could easily handle the weight of 100 people on each wing even IF that wing wasn't being supported by the surface tension of the Hudson River's water. Not to mention the buoyancy of a wing that is half filled with air.

2. The warnings of "NO STEP" that you see on some wings is only for the actual area of the "NO STEP" placard. Those are generally localized areas of inter-wing subsystems that could be damaged by a person standing directly over them as the upper wing's skin will deflect a little. It is NOT a warning prohibiting you from stepping on the entire wing.

3. Jet engines suck in thousands of cubic feet of air per second - think enormous vacuum cleaners. Even at idle thrust they can suck a rock right off a taxiway. That's why airport surfaces are patrolled and kept as clean as possible. The fact that most of the birds were sucked into the engines is no surprise. It's quite normal. Most birds that do impact the nose or leading edges don't leave dents, but they do leave a lot of blood and guts. I assume that any blood and guts would have been blasted away by the impact and scrubbing forces of the aircraft impacting the river at 130+ miles per hour.

Please return to the Kennedy assassination blogs. Thank you.

Carl

Off topic, TOS violation for politics. You might be happier here "TruthSleuth": AboveTopSecret.com: Conspiracy Theories, UFOs, Politics, and Many Other "Alternative Topics"

Them mistakes are called Co-Pilots:D

That's why I'm confused by the hostility here. I thought this was a board for pilots.

I thought fellow pilots would be a bit more into critical thinking instead of showing pictures of conspiracy theorists.

Wouldn't pilots here want to know if it was something else... perhaps sabotage or even terrorism?

I sure wouldn't want to fly knowing that my airline was giving me the "bird" story when it might have been something else.

I've got a family.

GO AWAY!
You're giving me a headache!

Politics?

You must be kidding me.

What is going on here?

I haven't voted in over 22 years... I'm anti-political. I HATE politics.

I'm trying to show you that the media MIGHT BE distracting us. I showed absolute proof of it, and you call it POLITICS?

Give me a break.

Let me guess, I'm going to get banned soon, too?

Heyas Carl,

Forget it. I have an ex-girlfriend that was CONVINCED that the Apollo missions were all fake. You know, because she saw it on Fox.

College graduate, too.

One only needs to watch late night infomercials to gauge the savvy of the majority.

Nu