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ERJ135 01-24-2009 01:50 PM
Originally Posted by Phlying Phallus (Post 544364)
If AA does hire, be prepared to sit on reserve FOREVER. Bypass pilots numbering in the hundreds will be spilling back over the course of months or years. That is, if we do not stagnate and not recall anyone for a spell. It could get ugly fast.

Might be a good gig for a single guy or gal that wouldn't mind actually living in NYC or MIA. The other good part is that FO pay beats the CA pay at any regional.

If you are married, you may as well file the divorce papers the same day you get the congrats letter from AA HR.

JMO.
Yeah but, I'd being willing to bet the rsv work rules are a little better then a regional. As I understand there isn't even ready reserve at AA. I did 2 months of showing up at the airport at 0530 to 1330. Many before me have done much longer, ask a flowback. Perhaps it is because I'm young and single, that I'd take rsv at AA anyday over a line at Eagle....

Jake Wheeler 01-24-2009 02:50 PM
Reviewing the 2004 AA seniority list (which included all the TWA pilots), 2059 pilots will reach age 65 mandatory retirement between now and January 2014. Another 3307 will by January 2019 and all the rest, 6475, by November 2042.

5300 empty seats over 10 years averages 530 a year. This only applies if AA doesn't reduce their fleet and begin outsourcing like other major airlines.

Phlying Phallus 01-24-2009 04:42 PM
Originally Posted by Jake Wheeler (Post 544407)
Reviewing the 2004 AA seniority list (which included all the TWA pilots), 2059 pilots will reach age 65 mandatory retirement between now and January 2014. Another 3307 will by January 2019 and all the rest, 6475, by November 2042.

5300 empty seats over 10 years averages 530 a year. This only applies if AA doesn't reduce their fleet and begin outsourcing like other major airlines.
Your numbers are waaaaaayyyyyy off.

146 age 65 retirements by Jan '14.

Another 1420 by Jan '19.

Phrog Phlyer 01-25-2009 05:52 AM
Source Phlying?

eaglefly 01-25-2009 06:05 AM
Originally Posted by Jake Wheeler (Post 544407)
Reviewing the 2004 AA seniority list (which included all the TWA pilots), 2059 pilots will reach age 65 mandatory retirement between now and January 2014. Another 3307 will by January 2019 and all the rest, 6475, by November 2042.

5300 empty seats over 10 years averages 530 a year. This only applies if AA doesn't reduce their fleet and begin outsourcing like other major airlines.
The implimentation of PBS will change the equation drastically. AA can do a lot more with a lot less. Those "empty seats" will disappear like a rainpuddle in the Sahara.

aa73 01-25-2009 07:17 AM
What makes you think APA will settle for PBS? FYI, we will probably fight PBS as strongly as we fight to tighten up Scope.

X Rated 01-25-2009 01:31 PM
Yeah, but the next AA financial crisis will pit the A-plan against PBS. What's always won so far?

X

Mason32 01-25-2009 02:59 PM
Originally Posted by MAXforwardspeed (Post 543107)
I hope you guys do as good of a job as protecting your scope as you have been. Then young aviators will have a real airline to work at some day.
It would be easier to protect those real airline jobs if newer pilots were not so eager to work for nothing, under terrible rules, under the false assumption that it will help them get to a major any faster than the guys flying 1900's for the same, or similar, money.

Doing so just makes it harder for the rest to hold the line.

Wheels up 01-25-2009 05:43 PM
PBS is a dead issue. Dead. Kaput. Ain't gonna happen. Not gonna discuss it. AA pilots aren't "giving" ANYTHING this time around. We're not trading for anything and we're not going to get suckered into "negotiating with ourselves."

Jake Wheeler 01-25-2009 06:38 PM
Originally Posted by Phlying Phallus (Post 544459)
Your numbers are waaaaaayyyyyy off.

146 age 65 retirements by Jan '14.

Another 1420 by Jan '19.
Only 146 retirements over the next 5 years seems very low. If you meant 1460, it still seems low at less than 300 a year. What source did you use? Mine was a 2004 AA seniority list. Five years old, but birthdays don't change.


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