labbats

Hmmm. Create a new airline with the sole intention of undercutting a current airlines pay.... Sounds familiar and like something United has done already.... Oh yeah, GoJets.

That is/was GoJets, but the United pilots didn't seem to mind them.

Slice it any way you want to, but United is a shell of a once proud airline and the MEC should be breaking the RLA to finally take a stand. The list of atrocities hoisted on the United pilots since 9/11 speaks volumes. Hopefully this is the straw that breaks the camel's back.

If ever there was a time to spite the RLA, it's now with the current labor-friendly administration.

stinsonjr

Hypothetically...what happens if every UAL pilot says "F it" and they stage an unapproved work stoppage? I know it is against the law, and I know that ALPA can have no part of it due to legal ramifications, but what happens "if"? I can't see firing every pilot. What would occur if it were a one day stoppage?

whaledriver1

It's our union (ALPA) that is officially worthless...

ToiletDuck

Well that's a hairy situation but the NWA guys managed to take a stand with management when things were pretty bad there last year. Worrying so much over what's going to happen with your future canbe very fatiguing.

So when it Tilton going to take a paycut?

gettinbumped

AAAAAAMEN!!

stoki

This is a Majors version of the regionals.

I can't believe it.

I feel like throwing up. What is wrong with this country(RLA)/industry/management/pilots/BARF!

Just doesnt end. No leverage. No way of seeking self-help. Practically slaves. Either accept the sick, sad, twisted reality, and prostitute yourself, or leave all together. Those are the only options.

Truely disgusting. Land of the free, ehh.

gettinbumped

We cared... quite a bit actually. You would not see a GoJet pilot on my jumpseat at that time. However, you also have to realize that there was already a lot of angst over the entire regional structure for UAL pilots. We've gone from 10,500 pilots and 600+ jets to 6400 pilots and 300+ jets all the while seeing more and more RJ's showing up in our paint.

Don't want to turn this into a whole "you are the ones that relaxed the scope" thread... that's been hashed to death. I'm not blaming UAL pilots for the increase in regional pilots at our expense, and I'm not blaming regional pilots for showing up and flying the new jets. I'm not blaming PILOTS for anything. This is all a management shell game, and I detest them all with more gusto each day. My point is that we were already an 8 on the ****ed off scale at the increase of regional flying at our expense, going to a 10 with the GoJets issue only looks like we moved 2. If you were a regional pilot and generally happy; expansion, quick upgrades, shiny new jets, more and more large city destinations, then you were starting at a 2 and moving to a 10. GoJets was a taste of what we had already been enduring for years. And now Aer Lingus is just another piece in the sh%^ puzzle that is United Management. Divide and conquer is their only strength. It's like watching a 2 year old play with his Lincoln Logs watching Tilton "lead".

kleinerjet

hmmm, the Railway Labor Act permits strikes after negotiations over major disputes prove unfruitful...
The French strike all the time, and remember Lufthansa and Lufthansa City Line last year? Some pilots got one-time payments of nearly $10000 and a significant pay raise, then city line followed.
And in case of the French, they strike out of solidarity too. One company is upset, they all strike.
Everybody complains and nobody does anything.

johnso29

Agreed. I don't care if the UA pilots aren't on strike!

exp96

My money is on Chinese