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Originally Posted by 1515greenlight (Post 563071)

Indeed...and exactly my point. My dad was AF too, and I have all the respect in the world for the guys who have been there. But after having been through the wringer on my own dime...as have many others; flown and flown with guys who operated low level IFR in crap that no military guy would have dreamed of, it get's a bit old hearing how nobody else can do it as well as a mil driver. Hell, it would have been a dream to have two functioning ILS's...and a fantasy if they were the same manufacturer...and decade!

Ask a Connie DC-8 driver. 26 DC-8's. 26 different cockpit configurations. PDI's. Going into South America. Or an old Henson BE-99 driver who flew a bird with a sticky ILS by the F/O's right knee. The old guys knew. The young one's didn't always catch on. 17 people died in a CFIT crash because of it. The company response? "That's what we pay insurance for. "Magic" was a VOR and an ADF...no autopilot and maybe working radar.
I don't worry about magic going poof. I hand fly to and from altitude and hand fly approaches unless we have to use the magic. Then again maybe it's easier since I don't fly ultralight 73's or light twin 76's...:rolleyes: I fly a 74-400.:cool: (relax...a little humor...)

And Rhino...as far as running off to the cockpit to fly in a strike? Careful junior...I have an Eastern Battle Star on my lapel. And 28 years.

Not one Eastern pilot got hired by your fine organization back then. Your guys just took our airplanes and routes...didn't see any DAL guys demanding that DAL hire Eastern pilots. You're welcome for the job we made available for you by providing the extra front seats.

Remember, this got cranked up over guys who felt an entitlement to their job and insinuated that others in the regional arena were lesser beings. Funny how you got your panties in a wad when someone dared to speak up. So Rhino...what were you doing in 1989?

The lesson? The only reason anyone is where they are is luck on the day HR decided who to hire and seniority. Other than that, we're all equal...blue collar working stiffs.

So if you don't want stones tossed at you, don't toss them yourself.

Eastern Battle................ That sounds dangerous.

The only medals Rhino and I are authorized to wear were just earned flying in combat. Just being shot at or over places where being captured and tortured was a little more of a concern than a merger.

So please greenlight,

tell us military guys more about Battle Stars on your lapel and what it's like to have guys die in the cockpit. And then, call us junior again and tell wild and crazy stories about low level IFR and ILS's to a guy who landed on a ship at night or who had to cross several continents above 70,000 feet with no electrics and between countries wanting to kill him. Please, educate us on what it's like to be airborne and in harms way......

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Originally Posted by Silver2Gold (Post 563123)

You signed up for that, no one forced you into the military, and no one forced greenlight to be an airline pilot in the sh!tiest place to be a pilot. So why don't both of you drop it, we all have to fight battles whether we asked for them or not.

The majority of guys I've flown with that say how great they are usually suck....military and civilian. As for me, I'm a legend in my own mind!!!

The great thing about pilots, no matter what background, we all love a cold frosty beer. Lets just drink a beer, staple compass, and drop the "my dad can beat up your dad" childish behavior.

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Originally Posted by hoserpilot (Post 563155)

Agreed! This has devolved into one of the dumbest threads I've seen on this site, and the creep has taken it completely away from its title. This kind of crap needs to go to FlightInfo or some other low rent flamefest location.

Well, I'll just add one more thing here:

Have you written your REP's today???

I have, and have been almost daily trying to help fix this *******. Have you? Let's go, it's only a few key strokes away!

Wow, lots of little dongers flying around here. :( To attempt to move this thread back on topic, I ask this:

For those of you moaning about ALPA, what have YOU done to help ALPA??? It's easy to do nothing but complain from the sidelines....:rolleyes: Instead of the incessant whining, try volunteering in your organization to make a difference.....or would that be socialistic too? Hey, don't worry it's the American way to complain endlessly and not do a damn thing to fix the problems you feel exist. Enjoy your days off, doing nothing for the betterment of the profession.

Call your reps and ask what YOU can do to make a difference!!!

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Originally Posted by Cruise (Post 563330)

Yes, I have and I agree with what you are saying. ALPA is the rank-and-file. Your dues are not like a Country Club membership. You need to get involved to see a difference.

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Originally Posted by Rhino Driver (Post 560680)

AHHHH!...Falling on deaf ears...again...again....again...AGAIN!

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Originally Posted by Rhino Driver (Post 561726)

I really get p***ed though when some idiot tries to question how flying in the military (fighters in this case) can tranlate into flying in the airline world.

But I'm still not going to say I'm better than you and all the regional airline training you have received flying A to B, 90% of which was on autopilot. You may very well be the best pilot in aviation, but don't you dare question my abilities or my experiences as they relate to the airline world. I assure you, they're quite relevant. Ask the hiring department.

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Originally Posted by Rhino Driver (Post 561834)

Regional guys, you are the Iraqi Police.

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Originally Posted by Rhino Driver (Post 563008)

I agree. Smack him again Silver. Naa, wait a minute, give the poor slug a break. Ya know, the funny thing with these ridiculous remarks/comments/debates is, the mil guys never seem to start them, but always seem to finish them. Usually in a professional manner as well I must add. ;)

Professional?

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Originally Posted by TheDashRocks (Post 563790)

Professional?

Wow. Me thinks someone doesn't like me very much. Oh well. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by TheDashRocks (Post 563790)

Professional?

Congrats my friend, you have cracked the code. It doesn't matter who you fly for or what you fly. Making a comment to you comparing regionals to the Iraqi police said it all.

You are a professional. It's not the seat you occupy or the equipment you fly, it's how you treat your fellow airmen.

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Originally Posted by Silver2Gold (Post 563123)

Oh yippy! A military/regional slugfest on the DAL In-house union thread. Please, for the love of all that's good do this somewhere else.

Here's the deal, military only guys don't know the hazards or trials of the civilians flying night freight, etc. with old equipment in the worst weather one can fly in. Conversely, civilian guys don't know what its like to fly a fighter into combat taking AAA, etc. The fact is that once we leave the ground at 150 knots, it doesn't matter the plane you fly, a bad day is deadly either way. And the last I checked, there is no difference in being dead in a civilian crash or a military one. The point is that we've all gotten here through different paths. There are great military and great civilian pilots. Likewise, there are also lousy military and civilian pilots. If you want to compare the size of your "Jim's", maybe PM each other, meet at a bar, whip 'em out on a pool table and settle your "whose superior" fight once and for all.

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Originally Posted by Rhino Driver (Post 564916)

Wow. Me thinks someone doesn't like me very much. Oh well. :rolleyes:

I have nothing against you, personally. In so many words, I posed a question; should military pilots go to the head of the major airline hiring line? Military aviation is challenging, dangerous, and requires highly skilled airmanship. I never said otherwise. I felt you displayed some condescension and contempt for regional pilots and I responded to it.