I don't think he's hanging on hoping to be recalled.... didn't you bypass?

Screaming like a child isn't going to give you credibility.

I'll say it again, most of the F/O's I fly with want to upgrade ANY way possible, be it more aircraft or finding a way to get rid of those senior. They don't care about mainline interests.

That's OLD news.

I've never said the minority of PILOTS who hated flowbacks have moved anywhere. There really hasn't been anywhere worthwhile to go for most for at least 3-4 years................and you are dribbling the concept of "common sense" down your chin ?

OK, recess is over and it's time to get back to class. You've apparently been that lone kid on the playground who only plays with himself as apparently you have little clue what all the other kids are talking about.

Hopefully furloughing you.

If they're lucky they'll either fly all the RJ's at rates that are worthy of professional pilots or eliminate their existance (those are the goals). That will go a long way to insure that International isn't the next casuality of scope.

Feel free to fill out an application though, because should AMR trump that plan with a pre-pak BK, they may just need a 25 year old A-380 captain.

Man !!!!!!

Think of all the hot chicks you could pick up flying that baby, eh ?

;)

WU---I'm not counting on bankruptcy, and believe me, having been thru it, everyone will suffer. There is no credit in the marketplace right now, and noone will get any DIP or exit financing to emerge. You'll see not only more furloughs, but massive pay cuts, benefit cuts and lots of other bad things. I would bet my DAP, my B plan and every other 401k or IRA I have I would not be recalled if AA went chapter 11; won't happen.

And, incidentally, I'm not 'hanging onto hopes of being recalled to AA. I've moved on---because I was forced to. But, I haven't forgotten why or what happened to put me here.

I have to agree with Maxforwardspeed on this one. Im an FO who would love to upgrade, but not at the expense of future career prospects. If we get larger a/c that means LESS captain positions overall. E170/E190s means parking the majority of the smaller a/c in the fleet and a LONGER upgrade, but if youre a 20yr AE CA it means $5/hr more. I would prefer to upgrade on a B1900/Saab/ATR compared to a E170/E190. The ones who drool the hardest for bigger a/c are the senior CAs at AE who have 2 kids in college, 2 ex-wives, house payments and are trying to pick up as much OT as possible so they can fly at .60 to get an extra 3 mins over block.

Then you're in the minority of the F/O's I've flown with. Previously, I mentioned those who talk one story when in front of one audience and another when on a public forum. As such, it's hard to really know what the truth is. I have heard about some of our captains who like to fly around on the stick shaker, but if they want more OT, then those fools should actually be flying FASTER.

There's no certainty about the correlation of aircraft size to fleet size either at Eagle or whomever else AMR invites to the regional party in the future. One thing is for certain........without any replacement of aircraft at the regional level, then AMR will have to eventually abondon the concept of feed and that would be among the worst of future developments for the size (and health) of AA. Without feed and the revenue it brings in, AA would shrink drastically.

A couple of other things are also certain, one is that many of those 20yr captains with the multitudes of misfortunes you exaggerate about have AA seniority numbers and still want to use them and obviously couldn't care less about larger (>70 seats) RJ's. In fact, THOSE pilots seek a larger and healthier AA. Another is that we'll have no say in it, just like all those pilots flying around in the hundreds of 70 and 90-seaters that are painted in AA's competition. You know, from an odd's standpoint, you're MUCH more likely to be a 12 year+ RJ F/O here, then EVER making the left seat of a turboprop.

BTW, if you preferred upgrading on a turboprop, why'd you come to an airline that is predominantly an RJ operation and has been for 6 years ?

Believe me, I want to see growth at AA just as bad as anyone else so that those on furlough can be recalled and senior AE CAs with #s can move on to greener pastures. If the two options were expand the AE fleet with turboprops, or expand the AE fleet with large E170/E190 at the expense of reductions at AA, I would rather see the left seat of a prop. Prop flying isnt causing an MD80 to go to the desert. I came to AE because it was a relatively stable and secure job and has proven to be so.

Don't look for any turboprop expansion. For the relatively near future, there won't be ANY expansion........in fact, likely contraction.

Once the pushing and shoving at mainline is complete and the landscape there becomes more evident, then we'll all see the future.....both for AA and those companies (plural) that handle the current short/medium range flying done in RJ's. I suppose your desire to see Eagle become a Beech 1900 operator flying to many of their current cities while AA's competitors do it in 70 and 90-seat jets could happen, but I wouldn't count to heavily on it.

You should have come into the business 15 years ago, BEFORE the competitive landscape was set (and it HAS been set, like it or not) and convinced ALPA of what was about to happen and maybe they would have done something instead of collecting their impressive salaries, for now it appears too late.

Wishful thinking won't reverse the relaities of the view outside your cockpit window. On your next trip, take a REAL GOOD look out that window in LGA, ORD or wherever. Fly to ATL, CVG, DTW and think to yourself, what I think; Just HOW do you stop this now ?

HUNDREDS of 70 seaters are already out there. DOZENS of 90 seaters are already out there (and growing). AA needs that revenue and profit segment or it will only weaken further. Flying RJ's at mainline wages won't work. NOT flying RJ's won't work (as pleasurable as that feels on the surface).

What's the long term answer in EVERYBODYS best interest ?

Someone is going to lose out. Someone HAS to lose out. Odds are it will be the same group that has ALREADY lost out. So far when big business has gone against the interests of professional airline pilots, we've lost every time and we get weaker every day. ALPA won't save this profession for they are now a profit-oriented business themselves, most interested in maintaining a dues stream.

If you've got some answers that big business (who unfortunately for pilots, IS in the drivers seat) will buy, I'd like to hear it ?

Eaglefly ,

It’s kind of funny the minority keeps showing up and telling you any growth on the AE side should be turbo props. I hope someday you will see the light and realize we (FO’s want turbo props) are not the minority. The minority are the few FO’s who want big A/C at Eagle.

Go back to your retirement home!

That’s right! You want to start with the recess that’s what you get!

As a former Eaglet I can tell you that almost every FO would prefer upgrades to shiny new jets.

Now with that said I also think it's fair to say that all of those senior Eagle captains have paid dues upon dues to be where they are. Ask them about how much experience they had to have to get hired and how awful that indoc treated them. Ask them about broken promises from management, etc, etc, etc. I learned a lot from both the flowbacks and the lifers at Eagle and I wish the best for them both.

Just keep in mind that pilots that took different roads to the AMR crazy train aren't the enemy. By hating everyone else you all miss who is doing the screwing.